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Well let me splain it to ya snowrider.

I tried to find a good email address for a couple of the guys pulling rank on VS Joe, but struck out thinking I had found them. I don't know why I bothered to write this up, because I'm certain the VS team would just delete it anyway. But for those who really want the full story of what went down the last week or so .... this is how it played out. And this is what I tried to communicate with the "powers that be" at VS: Gentlemen, Good morning. I find myself in a situation I never thought I would encounter, attempting to reach out to Chairman and President level positions of a company that runs a snowmobile forum - yet here I am. Vertical Scope's involvement with HardcoreSledder (HCS) has been one of ups and downs over the years, given how the site originated with a very passionate group of snowmobile enthusiasts, to being sold to a large corporation that ultimately owns the site and has been (to this point) very hands off. Over the time Vertical Scope has owned HCS, the volunteer Moderator and Admin teams have essentially been told to continue running the site as we see best served. And being a snowmobile site, the ebbs and flows of activity/traffic on the site correlated to snowmobile season. The "General Discussion Forum" was one area of the site that seemed to keep a draw to HCS throughout the year, and it was mostly because of the very laid back (and ultimately minimal) rule set we had established. All of that changed last week, when your Chief Community Officer, Joe Pishgar, introduced himself. Never before have we seen this gentleman, as all communications with our team came through the VS Forums Manager team. Mr. Pishgar took it upon himself to delete a thread that was brought to his attention by a complaint, and was already working its way towards disappearing within the site (basically it was on "page 2" and ultimately being out of site). He claimed rules were violated - specifically the Terms of Use, and the subforum rules which included the verbiage of "personal insults" not being allowed. Being a volunteer Admin, this action caught me by surprise as we've never seen such a hands on interaction from VS. Knowing our General Discussion Forum has had MANY threads with name calling and personal insults over the years, I was surprised our team had missed those two words in that forum's rules reference. So I edited the rules to remove "personal insults" because, honestly, nobody had paid attention to that (simply put, that forum was the playground of HCS and where people knew they had to "wear their big boy pants"). I communicated to the other volunteer staff what I had done, and somewhat jokingly debated with Joe that I failed to see what was wrong - comparing his version of the rules with the newly edited version of rules. Going by our established rules, I chose to restore the thread which was previously deleted by Joe, and this was strictly done because this was a General Discussion Forum topic (meaning, no rules applied). Mr. Pishgar emphasized the rules were to be followed, and that was the bottom line. Several of us long standing members disagreed with him, because that forum has always allowed this type of "dysfunction". Our team was especially frustrated knowing he had never been on HCS before and clearly didn't understand the culture of the site. I'll be the first to admit, cooler heads could have prevailed with the follow-up private messaging, but him being an outsider really upset many of us (not just the volunteer staff, but members too). Now, before I continue this novel ... where am I going with this? I think it's only fair that you, as Mr. Pishgar's bosses, hear BOTH sides of the story. He has now banned members who have been part of that community since its inception in 2002. Members who have dedicated content, and YEARS of volunteer time in making the site enjoyable and successful. When Vertical Scope was nowhere to be found shortly after the software upgrade earlier this year (we had a stretch where nobody signed on in almost 40 days), our volunteer team tried to resolve whatever we could. In short, I'm asking for someone to review the actions taken by Joe, who's so new to the Vertical Scope business (July, right?). I'm not asking to be reinstated as an Admin, or Moderator, but I am asking that the people who were banned over the past several days be restored and any future interaction with Vertical Scope be done by someone OTHER than Mr. Pishgar. His latest actions have resulted in many long standing members to essentially revolt. Take a look at the site for yourselves, and look in the General Discussion Forum at all the content that's been deleted, closed, and the list of banned users over the course of the past week. Thank you for your time, and I appreciate your response. Best Regards, Chris (aka "Bontz" on HCS)

Good to see ya Jer!!! Yeah, I wish I would have copied that entire PM exchange off to a Word Doc or something to share with everyone. The best I can offer is this, from last night:

STFU you butthurt sally... Nobody is sucking Polaris cock, they are making the best machines right now and that is just what it is. Skidoo has been riding the wave too long its about time someone kicked them in the nuts. Polaris FTMFW!

Yeah snakes even got it all on video, Busse and some other guys lifting his sled off him.

This site is like a joint family reunion.......of the Hatfields and the McCoys

U and revkev have something in common

They should be required to read the snowrider story thread before being allowed to post.

I think hcs faggots should all kill themselves

Sorry, without the red county's we'd have nothing to eat.

Don't worry about FSCE going anywhere. My rich Uncle will take on VS with his lawyers if need be. @Polaris 550 ???? But that may be an option after they get moved in and settled.

???

@ckf got the Christmas lights hung for the year! Word is he only fell off the roof twice.

Well, so far no bounce backs from their mail server. I had used first name, last initial when I originally tried. I suspect if it went through, I won't hear anything ... or will get some sort of generic/canned reply. Whatever I get back (if anything) I'll be sure to share with the crew 🍻 Thanks Todd!!

oh carry on

I made a pizza. Pepperoni, mushrooms , bacon and onions

@CFK @KFC @ckf

Nah, he likes her long fingers.

Like correctly answering the question, “Where do you put your empties?” 😆

Some people really really REALLY go nuts trying to get their message out there, like 5-6-7-10 Topics a day about the same convoluted garbage.

I don't think she has to worry.

Watched the whole damn thing to see if the piston circlip flew across the shop

This site had a breakdown and a bunch of good members split of to Team Belly Pan a few years ago. I don't think anyone in the world would have thought that another hcs meltdown would turn freedomsledder into THE BEST DAMNED SLED BASED CURRENT EVENTS SITE IN THE WORLD! That was a bit of a stretch.

Joe in his home office dealing with HCS & F.S. members..

Not according the Verticalscope "Chief Forum Manager" Joe Pishgar we all should have just followed his orders and done what he said and everything would have been just fine. JOE>>>>> <<<<< Joe

2 days ago he got the breaker and like Ben said that was what was wrong, he said this morning that the concrete floor had finally warmed up.

My wife the nurse in a large care facility told me a couple of weeks ago that during a staff meeting the doctors were talking about how outcomes as they cal;l them have improved vastly over the last 9 months. They are learning more every day how to treat people. Ben I think your friends Mom is lucky she got covid now rather than back in the early stages. She most likely would have been put on a vent and died.

Wearing a mask is completely irrelevant to contacting the germ on any surface and ending up on your hands, in your eyes, your mouth or in your food. A simple face covering does very little to protect yourself but it does reduce what comes out of you and land on a surface and start this whole fn mess. Even with a mask on I stay the fuck away from people. Knowingly going out without a mask and infecting people is just plain nuts, bragging about it is even worse. I don't get it, it's more effort to put a coat on FFS. Of course if you're way the fuck out in the boonies where there's no cases it doesn't matter much. 9 months of rebelling over this is fntarded

x2! Then again, much of our government has gone insane, so I'm not expecting any miracles.

Are you related to Neal? Just curious.

So in a nutshell they lost a bunch of good volunteer help and members so one guy can puff his chest out and feel like the king of the world. I think you guys all did the right thing.

Trumps fault. Dude per positive test Canada's deaths rate is almost 60% higher than ours. No excuses will change that. A significant % of America's deaths are LTC patients. 40% in Iowa.

WOW!!!

For allegedly withholding money from Ukraine for political reasons the democrats admitted doing this to the American people and the media is silent.

Damn. This guy Joe sounds like a complete douchebag.

Yea you might need to take this slow....maybe just a few minutes at a clip then a few days off with pain killers and a cold compress for your head. Saying you got gut hooked by this falsehood just does not seem to do it justice.

Funny

I'll absolutely take the choice of freedom over the govt locking me in my home or out of my business.