Bontz Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 minute ago, krom said: Here comes the bullshit again.. 650 and 850 guys are having a absolute ton of plug fouling issues. 17 sets a season type problems. every poo group is full of complaints and pictures. I can put you in contact with someone if you don't believe me Not to get into a pissing match, but whatever this sparkplug problem is ... it's hit or miss for whatever reason. I can tell you with our group of guys, which consists of at least 7 new Polaris sleds each year (or every other year at the latest) - not one of us have had fouling issues. I don't know if it's because some people are morons and try to run their sleds before they come up to temp, or if there's really something wrong with a particular batch of sleds - but this group of 7 has had a LOT of new Polaris models for well over a decade and nobody has had to deal with fouling issues (knock on wood as we're all moving on to new sleds for next season). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p51mstg Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 22 minutes ago, p51mstg said: I have literally and repeatedly begged Polaris - in person - for a demo of any kind anywhere. They have turned me down, every single time. How do I get on their list? I thought it was the Polaris ambassadors who they let ride the Matryx up on the North Shore before it was introduced? Was there another ride somewhere? @jdsky - I apologize for sounding like I was being sarcastic. I mean it, if someone can tell me how to get on their list for a demo, I'm interested and have been trying to do that for a very long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bontz Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, p51mstg said: @jdsky - I apologize for sounding like I was being sarcastic. I mean it, if someone can tell me how to get on their list for a demo, I'm interested and have been trying to do that for a very long time. You're correct with the reference to the Ambassadors getting the first crack at demo'ing new units. Or at least they did a couple years ago (I'm not 100% sure about them getting an opportunity this season to try out the '24 models). Prior to the Ambassador program, Polaris was allowing various people to be part of demo rides ... ranging from dealers to various website members. Now, if you're not an Ambassador I think you pretty much have to wait for one of those public events they hold where you can ride the new sleds in an enclosed area. But I'm not even sure where that type of opportunity is going on, if at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sled_Hed Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 54 minutes ago, Ziemann said: Sure they did. Because of the belt drive? Or the steering? You're not objective at all. As previously stated, a couple of obscure test rides didn't do much to create competitive buzz. Catalyst is a "Me too" desperate attempt to keep Cat from hemorrhaging additional customers. Cat's reputation for horrible new platform releases will hobble it's success for a few years. Eventually, when it is old news, they will get it polished and refined. If erection lasts more than 4 hours consult your local cat dealer 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 9, 2023 Author Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 hour ago, ZR6000RR said: Even in pre-production form, it surpassed that wonderful sled. Sorry but the Catalyst is a game changer. Cat didn't need a new chassis... used to be a dude here constantly saying that. Don't remember who it was though .... 🤔 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 43 minutes ago, krom said: Here comes the bullshit again.. 650 and 850 guys are having a absolute ton of plug fouling issues. 17 sets a season type problems. every poo group is full of complaints and pictures. I can put you in contact with someone if you don't believe me "Every"...well this is where things are different from Cat. Poo sold more than 5 units and therefore has more customers that have issues. I've ridden with a good 15 different new Poo's and no one has had to change a plug. 38 minutes ago, Bontz said: Not to get into a pissing match, but whatever this sparkplug problem is ... it's hit or miss for whatever reason. I can tell you with our group of guys, which consists of at least 7 new Polaris sleds each year (or every other year at the latest) - not one of us have had fouling issues. Which is the norm. Seriously know of no one having those issues. 5 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: Cat didn't need a new chassis... used to be a dude here constantly saying that. Don't remember who it was though .... 🤔 Dude is a stretch. Moron more appropriate or more specifically a jimwit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: Cat didn't need a new chassis... used to be a dude here constantly saying that. Don't remember who it was though .... 🤔 I think it was that gym clown on his army commando walky talky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 3 hours ago, krom said: you guys never learn... when was the last time I was wrong?? https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-honda-and-red-bull-extend-power-unit-support-deal-until-2025.7hFIkY4W18FcmxNlWnB2ST.html Technical partnership RED BULL POWER TRAINS. You're not right...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsky Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 28 minutes ago, p51mstg said: @jdsky - I apologize for sounding like I was being sarcastic. I mean it, if someone can tell me how to get on their list for a demo, I'm interested and have been trying to do that for a very long time. My dealer, that sells all brands but cat now, had a demo sled that anyone could take out. Not a guided ride but head out on the trail and take it for a rip. This was not the very first season but the following. Anyone could stop by and take it out. The problem over the past couple of years has been lack of floor stock but the best way to ride the poo chassis is to call around and find a dealer that will let you take one out. If that does not work there is always the rental route. Rider from TX in our group rents every season and this year he rented a VR1 650 after renting various doo's over the years. The 650 is an incredibly strong motor and top end is surprising. It should be an interesting side by side run with the catalyst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsky Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 minute ago, awful knawful said: Technical partnership RED BULL POWER TRAINS. You're not right...... There's others but its not worth the fight. I still have calls in to dealers out East trying to find one offering a $2K rebate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Snow hawk. Fuck the world. I was told the bald eagle allocated 10 units to each tiga dealer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnstang Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 3 hours ago, p51mstg said: I get that it's for drag racers, but that's a small percentage of buyers and I don't see a purpose beyond that. Seems like a novelty that will be abused by anyone who buys it. If they're after the Cat/Yamaha title of fastest production snowmobile, they have to be really close with the turbo 2s. Is launch control cheaper than another few psi of boost (and the requisite R&D to make sure the engine can handle it)? Or, are they already at the limit of what they think their engine can handle, boost-wise and this is the only way to beat Yamaha's turbo? The type of guy buying a mock zed will like having the launch control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p51mstg Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 16 minutes ago, jdsky said: My dealer, that sells all brands but cat now, had a demo sled that anyone could take out. Not a guided ride but head out on the trail and take it for a rip. This was not the very first season but the following. Anyone could stop by and take it out. The problem over the past couple of years has been lack of floor stock but the best way to ride the poo chassis is to call around and find a dealer that will let you take one out. If that does not work there is always the rental route. Rider from TX in our group rents every season and this year he rented a VR1 650 after renting various doo's over the years. The 650 is an incredibly strong motor and top end is surprising. It should be an interesting side by side run with the catalyst. Yeah, the pandemic really upended any opportunities for demos at dealers. That's exactly what happened to FBO's after 9-11, general aviation has suffered ever since. I'm specifically interested in comparing a Matryx to the Catalyst. If I can't find one to ride locally next season, I may head over to Grand Marais or Brainerd to rent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleflipper Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, ZR6000RR said: I forgot to add that I wont have to buy stock in NGK. My those Polaris love to eat those plugs. Me to my ASS! I know of two Polaris riders that made the switch btw. Just a better sled all the way around. Really, haven't changed plugs in any of my Poo sleds since early 2000 ish. Is this you standing beside the girl with the sign or maybe it's Krom. Edited March 9, 2023 by Tripleflipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, jdsky said: There's others but its not worth the fight. I still have calls in to dealers out East trying to find one offering a $2K rebate. Can you even take a piss on your own without help?? I already gave you links to a couple of them? Edited March 9, 2023 by krom 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 3 hours ago, ZR6000RR said: Well have you ridden it? I rode it back to back with a 650 Poo. The Cat did everything better. Me to my ass! I'm sure your procross did too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said: I'm sure your procross did too. The seating position was better on the 650. Not as good as the Catalyst though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 1 hour ago, jdsky said: There's others but its not worth the fight. I still have calls in to dealers out East trying to find one offering a $2K rebate. What ya looking for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 10, 2023 Author Share Posted March 10, 2023 Doo quality @4:39 Numerous people were badly injured. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsky Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 4 hours ago, krom said: Can you even take a piss on your own without help?? I already gave you links to a couple of them? I called them. Just like anything read the fuckin' fine print. Also, you forgot the part where you said it was a $2000 rebate which is completely different from UP to $2K off. I said there were no fucking factory rebates and you just kept on a arguing. Just like when you stated Cat was not charging any fucking logistics fee. It was right there on their website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsky Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 3 hours ago, awful knawful said: What ya looking for? Rider in our group has been waiting years to replace his 07'. Looking like he will order a 600r. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkipinki Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Ziemann said: How many guys are going to walk in to a dealer and buy because of those features? Alot. They sold out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkipinki Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Deephaven said: Whoop de Doo. Nothing that makes those riding the competition jump. In fact they will instead be scared of it's reliability If you want to be a butthurt baby and ignore reality, sure, but outside of one engine Gen 1 CTEC 800, Arctic Cat has probably has the most reliable power plants across the board for about 20 years running. Polaris and Doo have had countless failures, from powerteks, liberty's and others. Their CTEC 600 is solid and the revamped 2024 is even better. I think the revamped 600 doing so well will go a long way to help buyers feel confident in thier new turbo 860. Edited March 10, 2023 by stinkipinki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 32 minutes ago, jdsky said: I called them. Just like anything read the fuckin' fine print. Also, you forgot the part where you said it was a $2000 rebate which is completely different from UP to $2K off. I said there were no fucking factory rebates and you just kept on a arguing. Just like when you stated Cat was not charging any fucking logistics fee. It was right there on their website. Yeah, because its unheard of, for rebates to have fine print.... Read the fucking price sheet I posted, and point out the logistics fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnstang Posted March 10, 2023 Share Posted March 10, 2023 They called it a $700 surcharge. I saw on the CAT site where it said $700 surcharge plus setup/dealer fees. I also saw on the CAT sheet where it wasn't on there. So for anyone to claim they know for sure is just being a fool. Nobody will know until you're paying why would you dig heels in on something so dumb that's clearly a 50/50 and unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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