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He did claim that it doesn't snow in NY, and that even if it snows, it never stays.. Just before the snowiest winter with the best skiing, and riding NY has had in 20+ years.

Al Gore said its too late to stop the world from being destroyed.

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"Researchers say from 2021-2023, the Antarctic Ice Sheet saw a record-breaking mass gain. Tongji University researchers say satellite gravimetry data shows that from 2011 to 2020, the Antarctic Ice Sheet lost 142 gigatons of ice per year. That trend flipped between 2021 and 2023 when the ice sheet allegedly gained about 108 gigatons of ice per year."

My SWAG is that its a break between stuff developed by/under textron, vs pre-textron. The havoc/stampeede used the new numbering system (it was developed in GA), as does some of the 600 ATV

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X1000

Battery alone is 10 lbs

No snow at all in the Midwest this year...

I don't totally disagree, but you sound like every atv guy, when eps first came out, now customers feel its basically a requirement on everything but low cost machines

even with eps it'll be lighter than an estart doo, and it'll have a recoil As far as eps... It was enough of an improvement on the 4 strokes that after riding a sled with it lots of current owners upgraded. Yup, but I don't forsee them doing it without e start from the factory. (at least not till they purge the textron folks who wouldn't let you buy a factory installed G8 on non atac sleds)

EPS is lighter than E-start, but my bet is that it's only going to be available on Estart sleds as I don't see there being enough juice to run it without a battery on board

It actually sells pretty well from what I saw. The '26 wil finally have a decent mid shock, but the average atac rider is going to get confused by there being 2 shocks to adjust in the rear

EPS lets you load up aggressive ski's with aggressive carbide, reduces darting, and lets the average old fat out of shape guy ride for more than 30 miles without getting tired/sore shoulders

AC's dirt side consists of a few small variations of 1 atv, 1 sxs, and one sport sxs. I saw an ex engineer give a guesstimate of $50m to develop a competitive line up. Textron annihilated the dealer base, and disenfranchised the few they didn't get rid of. It's basically impossible to keep the doors open selling AC only dirt products (and has been for quite some time now) given the limited product line, and poor reputation. The release said that AC would be for the trails, and Argo for where the trails end. My SWAG (scientific wild ass guess) is that the atv and sxs get AC stickers, while argo sticks with those amphibious things. I also bet that all argo dealers get an offer to add AC, and vice versa (within reason, based on geography) Tracker needs their own plastics/gauges/etc. You can't have them selling identical units, it devalues the AC and or Argo name (not that either name have a huge value).