Ziemann Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) Edited March 11, 2022 by Ziemann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wrinkly balls Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ziemann said: I think it looks 10 times better then the gray shit they had the last two years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziemann Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Dunno-- maybe it will look better with a better close up pic? Not a good first impression from a distance.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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p51mstg Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 I like the addition of the big motor and eps for the Riot. I also like the graphics and black on the T-cat. I know, BNG’s, but I like it anyway - that’s a year overdue. Still hoping they have at least one other trick. The smartest thing to do would be to accidentally leak the stuff that stays the same, and leave the good stuff for the reveal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwhite138 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 I think the t cat will look sick in real life. still all lame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 12, 2022 Author Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Ziemann said: Pics of the '23's are over on HCS. Super sad release..... I feel awful for the Cat faithful. I am sad to see Cat languish like this. I am so happy that I made the jump a year ago and ordered a new Matryx. I had some early painful issues, but everything seems really solid now..... And WTF are they thinking w/ the ThunderCat colors. it's exactly what was expected, wasn't it? I was fortunate to see pics right after lunch but kept my mouth shut. interesting to see the T-cat being labeled as 200hp now to compete with the Mach Z and Poo T850... and at first didn't like the purple but after a better look, much better than the past few years. lot's of black with some purple and green... it'll look good on the snow. bringing the 4ST in the Riot, not a dumb move. completely missing from the lineup and conversation are the RR's... or anything 'new' at all really. RXC may be consumer available again??? No 800 RXC which imo is just stupid. mountain sleds... mustard??? nothing new, no gray... pretty much bng's and a bump in 998hp to what everyone knows they're capable of if not more. 4 minutes ago, Cwhite138 said: I think the t cat will look sick in real life. still all lame see above where you expecting more? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 12, 2022 Author Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) brief glimpse of Polaris and BRP owners looking at the 2023 Cat lineup... Edited March 12, 2022 by Crnr2Crnr 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) Well Jimbo is probably happy with no charges. He does not adapt well to change. I was actually hoping for something new that would push the other manufacturers. Feel bad for the green team. They use to at least make an attempt at bringing something new. Put a now old 4 stroke into the Riot. OK Edited March 12, 2022 by Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger** Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 For the Cat experts, what changed with Cat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 12, 2022 Author Share Posted March 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, Badger** said: For the Cat experts, what changed with Cat? The lady from Atlanta and her dog did some finger painting with the kids from TRF 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger** Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: The lady from Atlanta and her dog did some finger painting with the kids from TRF So nothing changed but the pricing. WTF why are not out on the sled this will be the last weekend?? I would have come up but I sold the Trailer. Keep an out for a nice two place or three place for me "Not a clam shell" enclosed plz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palu49 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: it's exactly what was expected, wasn't it? I was fortunate to see pics right after lunch but kept my mouth shut. interesting to see the T-cat being labeled as 200hp now to compete with the Mach Z and Poo T850... and at first didn't like the purple but after a better look, much better than the past few years. lot's of black with some purple and green... it'll look good on the snow. bringing the 4ST in the Riot, not a dumb move. completely missing from the lineup and conversation are the RR's... or anything 'new' at all really. RXC may be consumer available again??? No 800 RXC which imo is just stupid. mountain sleds... mustard??? nothing new, no gray... pretty much bng's and a bump in 998hp to what everyone knows they're capable of if not more. see above where you expecting more? The 998T has always been labeled as 200hp class since the “class labeling” started I think they had it as 198hp the first year. Only snowtrax calls it 180hp class. Definitely a joke of a release but at least the BNGs on the trail sleds aren’t awful I guess. I might try to dump my RR for big money with the lack of one in the lineup and just get an RXC if they’re cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p51mstg Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Badger** said: For the Cat experts, what changed with Cat? Just based on what was leaked, the only thing different I saw was putting the big Yamaha motor in their cross over (Riot) and adding eps to it. Yamaha already had a model like that, but without eps. Otherwise the graphics changed (for the better, imo) and that’s about it. The leaked info that I saw has a few gaps in the lineup, but whether that translates to something new is a big question. I guess we’ll all know on Tuesday. Edited March 12, 2022 by p51mstg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 33 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: The lady from Atlanta and her dog did some finger painting with the kids from TRF Cat's problems started long before the lady from Atlanta came to TRF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 37 minutes ago, racinfarmer said: Cat's problems started long before the lady from Atlanta came to TRF. They started when the 2015 model year was released. The 2013-2014 winter was the best snowmobile sales in years because it was a long winter. Dealers sold out. Mr Jordan took a stock price gamble and made a program where dealer had to take on double the sleds the previous year or loose your buy power. Winter 2014-2015 was a dude. Huge carry over. Credit card was maxed at most of their dealers. They could not ship anything because of it. They burnt through cash paying interest to the floor planners. Then Textron bought them when they were close to running out of money. Took it in the shorts and liquidated all that old inventory. Now sitting on it doing what Textron does until they can sell it. This is what killed cat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Sad day. Really wanted to stop at ERX today as I drove by....but chose to it ignore possibly seeing the release and races to come up north to ride. Got here about 5pm. Managed a quick 130mi and a fast burrito. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 40 minutes ago, Not greg b said: They started when the 2015 model year was released. The 2013-2014 winter was the best snowmobile sales in years because it was a long winter. Dealers sold out. Mr Jordan took a stock price gamble and made a program where dealer had to take on double the sleds the previous year or loose your buy power. Winter 2014-2015 was a dude. Huge carry over. Credit card was maxed at most of their dealers. They could not ship anything because of it. They burnt through cash paying interest to the floor planners. Then Textron bought them when they were close to running out of money. Took it in the shorts and liquidated all that old inventory. Now sitting on it doing what Textron does until they can sell it. This is what killed cat. I personally think it started in the mid 2000's when they force sleds and PG&A down dealers throats that couldn't sell or afford to floor plan that much. Then they cheaped out on certain parts, that cost them in warranty (IMO - bearings). Then they released the Procross 1-2 years early, did what you posted, and capped it off with spending their last 40+ mil in cash on their trendy North Loop headquarters, that Textron immediately axed. Claude and Chris really fucked them good. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 12, 2022 Author Share Posted March 12, 2022 8 hours ago, racinfarmer said: Cat's problems started long before the lady from Atlanta came to TRF. Pretty obvious they didn't bring her in to change anything for the better either. They're just picking up nickels out of what they have rather than going after dollar bills. Textron has turned Arctic Cat into a punch line and it makes me a bit sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 12, 2022 Author Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) With the absence of the Racer Replica models in the 2023 lineup does that make @ZR6000RR's uncrated, undelivered 2022 worth more or less? Maybe he should buy the 2023 race winning RXC Struggling a bit with this one? Edited March 12, 2022 by Crnr2Crnr oops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sled_Hed Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 22 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: With the absence of the Racer Replica models in the 2024 lineup does that make @ZR6000RR's uncrated, undelivered 2023 worth more or less? Maybe he should buy the 2024 race winning RXC Struggling a bit with this one? It's really a shame you got the boot from ACTR there is some good stuff over there this morning.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 12, 2022 Author Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Sled_Hed said: It's really a shame you got the boot from ACTR there is some good stuff over there this morning.. I know, I should have waited for the 'public release' to get kicked out. Screen shots? Edited March 12, 2022 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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