fortune46x Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, jonlafon1 said: Its pulling timing or hitting rev limiter. One or the other. Sled is not dying just pulling back.. Hard WFO pulls.. Guessing timing as its loaded way down with weight.. Boostane applied still did it. Drain the fuel and get fuel from a reliable station or get a premium fuel - You can run 110 in these sleds as the stoich value of the fuel is close to what 91+ octane is , youll have better detonation resistance and the computer will advance the timing to give you a better feeling on the butt dyno. On older engines leaded higher octane fuel didnt help because it would not change timing like the newer stuff will. You're pulling timing in WFO pulls because its sensing detonation - the other thing to check is the torque of the sensors - they were notorious in the zuke motor being sensitive , but if it was over torqued it will do what you're saying regardless of octane but it should have been a problem from the get go - thats why I wondered about fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 OR... just unplug the TSS fwiw... this conversation kinda jumped over from a different one. I speculated the ECU was adding fueling or pulling timing. which started about here... https://www.freedomsledder.com/index.php?/topic/41138-fb-humor-season-is-back/page/47/#comment-1698062 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonlafon1 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, fortune46x said: Drain the fuel and get fuel from a reliable station or get a premium fuel - You can run 110 in these sleds as the stoich value of the fuel is close to what 91+ octane is , youll have better detonation resistance and the computer will advance the timing to give you a better feeling on the butt dyno. On older engines leaded higher octane fuel didnt help because it would not change timing like the newer stuff will. You're pulling timing in WFO pulls because its sensing detonation - the other thing to check is the torque of the sensors - they were notorious in the zuke motor being sensitive , but if it was over torqued it will do what you're saying regardless of octane but it should have been a problem from the get go - thats why I wondered about fuel. Yea familiar with the torque on the knock sensor issue from years ago.. I was surprised when it did with boostane.. This exhaust and fuel map is further on the edge on this sled IMO. It does not feel or sound FAT. I will drain gas and see if I ever get a chance to drive it again. Only run 91 on all sleds/ small engines. Its been doing it since mile 0.. I did not mash it and hold forever but definitely mashed it lots in 250 miles.. It sure seems as though if I ease into the pull slowly it don't do it. That's why I was thinking rev limiter but i think that's out as it loaded with weight and RPM are under 8300 NOW after adding weight. Hammer it and it does it around 70-80 mph.. Not talking dead stop pulls more like rolling into them.. ALSO it top ends way better if you EASE into the throttle slowly compared to mashing it.. It not doing it every pull by any means but something is causing it.. Thanks for reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonlafon1 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: OR... just unplug the TSS fwiw... this conversation kinda jumped over from a different one. I speculated the ECU was adding fueling or pulling timing. which started about here... https://www.freedomsledder.com/index.php?/topic/41138-fb-humor-season-is-back/page/47/#comment-1698062 O i think your possibly onto something.. This thing feels and sounds like its not FAT with fuel and oil by any means.. IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune46x Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, jonlafon1 said: Yea familiar with the torque on the knock sensor issue from years ago.. I was surprised when it did with boostane.. This exhaust and fuel map is further on the edge on this sled IMO. It does not feel or sound FAT. I will drain gas and see if I ever get a chance to drive it again. Only run 91 on all sleds/ small engines. Its been doing it since mile 0.. I did not mash it and hold forever but definitely mashed it lots in 250 miles.. It sure seems as though if I ease into the pull slowly it don't do it. That's why I was thinking rev limiter but i think that's out as it loaded with weight and RPM are under 8300 NOW after adding weight. Hammer it and it does it around 70-80 mph.. Not talking dead stop pulls more like rolling into them.. ALSO it top ends way better if you EASE into the throttle slowly compared to mashing it.. It not doing it every pull by any means but something is causing it.. Thanks for reply One other thing to check - plugs sometimes will do stupid things after that oil rich break in. Sorry guys ill keep facts off the hcs corner of the site from here on out lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonlafon1 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 4 minutes ago, fortune46x said: One other thing to check - plugs sometimes will do stupid things after that oil rich break in. Sorry guys ill keep facts off the hcs corner of the site from here on out lol Funny thing is yesterday I got a new set out and gapped them on the bench. so i would remember to drop a new set in... AGREE .. lots of oil on break in.. Edited January 22 by jonlafon1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 hours ago, ZR6000RR said: Check your throttle cable. Some claim the cable Strech's. *stretch also stupid, as it has nothing to do with the issue 6 hours ago, jonlafon1 said: Not sure what this has to do with the engine cutting timing because its knocking? Explain please. nothing at all, he's a moron. 6 hours ago, ZR6000RR said: Twisting the throttle while getting on the hammer can set off the safety switch is what I have read. Another lie, you can't read. On 1/21/2024 at 2:20 AM, ZR6000RR said: I'm sure it does, comparing IFP to what ever the engine eater has. My ATAC rides better than my 2020 with IACT (old name, same thing), and that sled was butter smooth. 5 hours ago, ZR6000RR said: My yard is not long enough. That is all the riding I have been doing. I go by Cat's break in schedule anyway. Just unplug your switch as this has been a known issue forever. Not over my head what so ever. If it still persists, me personally would talk to my dealer but this is one thing you can actually test, and it takes seconds. Which one is a lie, your catalyst rides better, or your lawn isn't big enough to to be able to tell anything.. Post a video of you unplugging the safety switch, taking less than a minute 5 hours ago, ZR6000RR said: Can a bad throttle position sensor cause hesitation? During your normal driving, consider inspecting your sensor if you experience any of these throttle position sensor symptoms: Hesitations during acceleration. Poor power. Difficulty and/or delay in gear shifting. This is not only wrong, but totaly not related in the least.. It's even more moronic than the average moronic bullshit youy post. You don't even know what a TPS is 4 hours ago, jonlafon1 said: When does this FULL break in stop? I'm curious because the symptoms I speak of are very random and have continued all the way to 250 miles on the sled.. Owners manual states 3 hours, but it may be a typo as the literature isn't exactly spectacular this year, so it could be the same 6 hours as it was in the past. Only way to tell for sure is to plug into the sled with dealer diag software and see if its out of breakin in, or still in 3 hours ago, ZR6000RR said: If it is pulling timing, a code should show up. No it won't. Wrong as usual. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 8 minutes ago, krom said: Wrong as usual. look at Krommy with the @Zambroskilevel multi quote! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 tried the TSS disconnect... nothing worthy to report. too bad you can't get parts for them... VID_20240122_163510887.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 49 minutes ago, krom said: *stretch also stupid, as it has nothing to do with the issue nothing at all, he's a moron. Another lie, you can't read. Which one is a lie, your catalyst rides better, or your lawn isn't big enough to to be able to tell anything.. Post a video of you unplugging the safety switch, taking less than a minute This is not only wrong, but totaly not related in the least.. It's even more moronic than the average moronic bullshit youy post. You don't even know what a TPS is Owners manual states 3 hours, but it may be a typo as the literature isn't exactly spectacular this year, so it could be the same 6 hours as it was in the past. Only way to tell for sure is to plug into the sled with dealer diag software and see if its out of breakin in, or still in No it won't. Wrong as usual. Fuck off you lying fuck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 50 minutes ago, krom said: *stretch also stupid, as it has nothing to do with the issue nothing at all, he's a moron. Another lie, you can't read. Which one is a lie, your catalyst rides better, or your lawn isn't big enough to to be able to tell anything.. Post a video of you unplugging the safety switch, taking less than a minute This is not only wrong, but totaly not related in the least.. It's even more moronic than the average moronic bullshit youy post. You don't even know what a TPS is Owners manual states 3 hours, but it may be a typo as the literature isn't exactly spectacular this year, so it could be the same 6 hours as it was in the past. Only way to tell for sure is to plug into the sled with dealer diag software and see if its out of breakin in, or still in No it won't. Wrong as usual. It was 3 hours in 2018, 2020 and 2022. I doubt they changed it. You will know when you hit it as idle smoke disappears, and the motor gets crisp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, ZR6000RR said: It was 3 hours in 2018, 2020 and 2022. I doubt they changed it. You will know when you hit it as idle smoke disappears, and the motor gets crisp. TPS. Throttle position sensor. I have never had to disconnect my throttle safety switch, but it states that if you have hesitation. It is worth looking into. Not that hard to check. But you, being a fucking liar and total ass hole, I knew you would show up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerr2Star Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just gonna click this link to read a forum about the 2024 Catalyst chassis details.... images (1).mp4 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, krom said: *stretch also stupid, as it has nothing to do with the issue nothing at all, he's a moron. Another lie, you can't read. Which one is a lie, your catalyst rides better, or your lawn isn't big enough to to be able to tell anything.. Post a video of you unplugging the safety switch, taking less than a minute This is not only wrong, but totaly not related in the least.. It's even more moronic than the average moronic bullshit youy post. You don't even know what a TPS is Owners manual states 3 hours, but it may be a typo as the literature isn't exactly spectacular this year, so it could be the same 6 hours as it was in the past. Only way to tell for sure is to plug into the sled with dealer diag software and see if its out of breakin in, or still in No it won't. Wrong as usual. 36 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said: Fuck off you lying fuck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, Premium said: You were owned,? You were not even in the conversation. Double win for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Jackson Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, ZR6000RR said: You were owned,? You were not even in the conversation. Double win for me! You ever feel like you're a man on a deserted island and no one is coming to rescue you? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, J. Jackson said: You ever feel like you're a man on a deserted island and no one is coming to rescue you? I would fly over in a plane and drop shit on him. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 22 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said: You were owned,? You were not even in the conversation. Double win for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune46x Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, ZR6000RR said: TPS. Throttle position sensor. I have never had to disconnect my throttle safety switch, but it states that if you have hesitation. It is worth looking into. Not that hard to check. But you, being a fucking liar and total ass hole, I knew you would show up. Drunk at 6 , quoting yourself calling yourself a “fucking liar” and “total asshole” Fuck I bet you’re fun at parties 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 And the hits just keep coming... Jimwit calling @ZR6000RR a fucking lier, and total asshole is the first time he's ever posted something correct or truthful. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 6 hours ago, jonlafon1 said: Funny thing is yesterday I got a new set out and gapped them on the bench. so i would remember to drop a new set in... AGREE .. lots of oil on break in.. the twin to my sled fouled out a set of plugs this weekend. Dealer called and asked if mine had any issues with that and it didn’t. However my 2015 600 did foul a set of plugs just after brake in and it was a bear to start and finally died. New plugs it was good to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) I got digging through my garbage pile and found a rusted bolt that fits in the hole for the belt removal tool. I am going to use that to slightly open the sheaves and “set the belt deflection looser” to improve the hole shot as the clutch will be able to grip the belt better with out it hanging so far out the secondary. Then I will get a shorter belt from like a 1971 Polaris colt so it will run deeper into the secondary and let this thing top end a thunder cat. Should cost me 5 bucks at the junk yard tomorrow. Edited January 23 by Not greg b 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Now that is outside the box thinking right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 wait, you aren't supposed to leave the tool threaded into the secondary all the time? good to know, was going to clean my power valves after removing the TSS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonlafon1 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, Crnr2Crnr said: clean my power valves You must not be using the correct oil?? . Go fast or be last? Your throttle is just "cocked" wrong maybe ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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