ckf Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 IMO if the AR-15 was banned the terrorists / wackos would just find another weapon like the Ruger Mini 30 to use in their crimes. Joe Raedle/Getty Images NEW YORK (CNNMoney) —The AR-15, the type of rifle used in the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, is the weapon of choice for mass killers. Omar Mateen used a Sig Sauer AR-15 rifle, and also a Glock handgun, in his murder of 49 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando on Sunday, according to the FBI. He shot more than 100 people, including survivors, before he was gunned down by police. The AR-15, which has been used by the U.S. military in every war since Vietnam, has also served as a murder weapon in some of the most horrific mass shootings. AR-15s were used to kill and maim crowds of innocent people at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut; a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado; and a workplace party in San Bernardino, California. It wasn't supposed to be this way, of course. The AR-15 was developed by Eugene Stoner, a former Marine, for a California startup in the 1950s called ArmaLite. AR stands for Armalite, not assault rifle. Armalite, which has been bought and sold by various gun companies over the decades, is still producing AR-15s to this day. The Nazis invented the assault rifle with a weapon called the sturmgewehr, and Soviet engineer Mikhail Kalashnikov followed that up with the AK-47, now the most widely used assault rifle in the world. The burly AK, with its 30-round magazines, is what the U.S. military was competing with in the Cold War. Stoner's AR-15 was America's answer to the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese Army. It was tweaked into the M-16, a lightweight rifle with a plastic stock and a funky-looking handle on the top, that shot relatively low caliber bullets (.223.) No one had ever seen anything like it. Guns weren't supposed to look like that. In his book "The Gun," New York Times reporter C.J. Chivers calls the M-16 "synthetically futuristic." Chivers continues: "To its champions, the AR-15 was an embodiment of fresh thinking. Critics saw it as an ugly little toy." The M-16 was used by U.S. soldiers in Vietnam. It was initially notorious for jamming during combat, but it has evolved over the years into a modern firearm favored by soldiers and civilians. AR-15-style rifles are made by many companies and come in many shapes and sizes. U.S. soldiers and Marines source many of their AR-15s from Colt, which produces the M4, a short, squat version of its M-16 ancestor. Smith & Wesson is also a prominent manufacturer, with its M&P (military & police) line of AR-15s. Daniel Defense also supplies its own style of AR-inspired rifles to the military and law enforcement. Makers of AR-style guns also include Sturm Ruger, Remington, Bushmaster, Century Arms, Stag Arms, and many others. Civilians like AR-15s not only because they're legal in many states, but because they pack serious firepower and they're user friendly. They have limited recoil, which helps with accuracy. Gun enthusiasts, who often shoot for sport at ranges, use the term "modular" when describing ARs because they can be easily modified with a plethora of add-ons including sights, silencers, handles, bipods, sling mounts, lights, bayonet lugs and Lego-like rails to attach even more add-ons. More importantly, AR-15s can use high-capacity magazines, defined as any magazine that contains more than 10 rounds. They're illegal in New York, Connecticut, Colorado and several other states, but they're legal in most. High capacity banana-shaped magazines typically contain 30 rounds, putting them on par with AK-47s. The Florida magazine company TorkMag makes them even bigger, containing 35 or 50 rounds. Drum-shaped magazines can contain 100 rounds, like the weapon used by James Holmes, who shot 82 people at a movie theater in Colorado in 2012, killing 12 of them. Unfortunately, the compact, easy-to-use lethality of the AR-15 has made it the weapon of choice in mass shootings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Great. Now im gonna have to deal with 2 of these threads man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt.Storm Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dz246 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Capt.Storm said: Nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 It's one of the finest designed small arms weapons ever made. I've fired many and carried many and had a choice to carry what I wanted. Always went back to an AR "shorty". Even an idiot boy raping Muslim knows it's a solid piece..and he's a a clown anyway because he chose a Glock and an AR to do a job that two good shotguns could have done better. But he's at least smart enough to read Americans like the retards we are...we won't blame the shooter, we'll blame that nasty AR...and continue to help his Muslim brothers accomplish their mission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted June 13, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 13, 2016 Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 When is the AR the weapon of choice? Because we don't have a bunch of AK-47's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 "Snowrider", being rejected again..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted June 13, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted June 13, 2016 Ban guns one at a time and it won't change a thing to any crazy fucker that wants to do shit like this. Focusing on the AR and deflecting to Christianity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 4 hours ago, Capt.Storm said: It's about the muslim, it's about a psychopath, and it's about the weapon, to not see things in multiples is a cognitive disorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleroule Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 16 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: It's about the muslim, it's about a psychopath. to not see things in multiples is a cognitive disorder. i agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: It's about the muslim, it's about a psychopath, and it's about the weapon, to not see things in multiples is a cognitive disorder. Ok...but what are the percentages and order of the blame or fault. Clearly they cannot all be equal. And since they are not, we need to try and solve the one that has the largest percentage of blame. It's not hard to do though...start taking away each component and ask if it would have still happened. Here's another: a raging alcoholic gets mad, jumps in his corvette, picks up a 5th at the liquor store then plows into a crowd at the mall a 100mph. So do we close the liquor stores? Or go after their suppliers? Shut down GM? Or go after the company that stamped out the gas pedal? Maybe we should sue the property management company of the mall for putting those crowds on the sidewalks. This is so incredibly stupid I forgot where I was going with it and just don't care because I know where to place blame. But being able to think like this tells me I may be eligible for a liberal trainee card. Edited June 14, 2016 by Zambroski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 8 minutes ago, Mileage Psycho said: It's about the muslim, it's about a psychopath, and it's about the weapon, to not see things in multiples is a cognitive disorder. Wrong on the last one Vince, the AR - 15 is roughly 60 years old and these insane mass shootings have been taking off in the last 20 years. The weapon is never a problem until the muslim or the psycopath abuse it. One of the biggest issues I see with these mass shootings is the media, they need to stop glorifying these events, it just inspires the next whack job. Blaming the tool is a typical liberal knee jerk excuse. Alcohol kills and ruins many lives but it requires an idiot human to accomplish that, yet alcohol is still legal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebsell Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 The AR 15 has been around for a half a century, affordable and have a reputation as being a bad ass gun. Kind of like a pit bull is to blacks lol. If they can't get their hands on an AR they will just go to something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snatchslayer Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I think what some of you guys are forgetting when comparing cars to guns is the gun is intended to maime, wound, kill. The car is not and although both can purely be used as a weapon, the obvious choice of mass murders is the gun. I totally get the argument that people kill people ,guns don't . But are these weapons a tad bit too easy to aquire ? Not a great combo when dildo baggins goes off his meds and heads to the quicky mart for a ho ho,ding dong and an AR . And I know,where there's a will ,there's a way ,and even if some guns were harder to get or all together unavailable, he will just move onto another method . Point is ,this shit shouldn't be so easy to obtain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Ok...but what are the percentages and order of the blame or fault. Clearly they cannot all be equal. And since they are not, we need to try and solve the one that has the largest percentage of blame. It's not hard to do though...start taking away each component and ask if it would have still happened. Here's another: a raging alcoholic gets mad, jumps in his corvette, picks up a 5th at the liquor store then plows into a crowd at the mall a 100mph. So do we close the liquor stores? Or go after their suppliers? Shut down GM? Or go after the company that stamped out the gas pedal? Maybe we should sue the property management company of the mall for putting those crowds on the sidewalks. This is so incredibly stupid I forgot where I was going with it and just don't care because I know where to place blame. But being able to think like this tells me I may be eligible for a liberal trainee card. Let me know when that happens to the extent of a Sandy Hook or the Pulse, so far we have done pretty good here in the US at stopping the jet and trucks full of fertilizer from being a WMD's since they were last deployed. 41 minutes ago, Ebsell said: The AR 15 has been around for a half a century, affordable and have a reputation as being a bad ass gun. Kind of like a pit bull is to blacks lol. If they can't get their hands on an AR they will just go to something else. The AR 15 is a high rate of fire weapon (100 rounds a minute is reasonable) that is not only easy to use it's easy to obtain, there is a reason mass shooters don't use an M1 with an 8 round clip even though it can cycle through 40 rounds a minute in capable hands. I get the whole guns don't kill people, people kill people line, but at the end of the day as long as we continue to allow military grade weapons with a high rate of fire to had by every swinging dick that wants one we our going to see more and more of these types of mass killings. Edited June 14, 2016 by Mileage Psycho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 5 hours ago, Capt.Storm said: Bingo 3 hours ago, racinfarmer said: When is the AR the weapon of choice? Because we don't have a bunch of AK-47's. Yep 3 hours ago, Zambroski said: "Snowrider", being rejected again..... 3 hours ago, Skidooski said: Ban guns one at a time and it won't change a thing to any crazy fucker that wants to do shit like this. Focusing on the AR and deflecting to Christianity Banning guns from law abiding Americans isn't going to stop a fucking terrorist 3 hours ago, Legend said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkhorn Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 3 hours ago, SnowRider said: Z A glorified .22 and the left calls it an assault weapon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 minute ago, Elkhorn said: A glorified .22 and the left calls it an assault weapon Not quite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkhorn Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 minute ago, SVT Renegade XRS said: Not quite A little sarcasm a little truth .... It's a .22 caliber bullet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 A .223/5.56 can't be fired in a .22 and vise versa A .223/5.56 is a lot more power and has a far greater range and is way more accurate than any .22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkhorn Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Just now, SVT Renegade XRS said: BrA .223/5.56 can't be fired in a .22 and vise versa A .223/5.56 is a lot more power and has a far greater range and is way more accurate than any .22 Nobody said any of that, did you miss the sarcasm? It's still a .22 caliber bullet. sure it has a little more power, and shooting fish in a barrel doesn't take much range nothing ever changes here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkhorn Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Hmmm, then there's this: The rifle used by the Islamist terrorist in Orlando was not an AR-15. The rifle used by the Islamist terrorist in Orlando was instead a Sig Sauer MCX carbine, a modular, multi-caliber (able to swap to different calibers, including 5.56 NATO, 300 BLK, and 7.62×39) rifle system that sometimes utilizes STANAG magazines common to more than 60 different firearms, but otherwise has no major parts that interface with AR-15s in any way, shape or form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, Elkhorn said: Nobody said any of that, did you miss the sarcasm? It's still a .22 caliber bullet. sure it has a little more power, and shooting fish in a barrel doesn't take much range nothing ever changes here The smaller bullet travels faster specially with a huge cartridge behind it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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