2024 Arctic Cat Catalyst 'Chassis' details?

[racinfarmer]

10 minutes ago, Boonbocker1 said:

I searched marketplace quick...I think i looked at maybe 10 cat 6000 series sleds...found these 4 in a matter of a minute, maybe 2

3 of the 4 are race sleds, 1 being a sno-x sled.  

Only the 15 isn't a race sled and has low miles.  

 

 

[Boonbocker1]

4 minutes ago, racinfarmer said:

3 of the 4 are race sleds, 1 being a sno-x sled.  

Only the 15 isn't a race sled and has low miles.  

 

 

So those aren't consumer model sleds that anyone could buy at a dealer?

Edit*   what makes these models different than a consumer cat 600, engine wise?

Edited April 15, 2023 by Boonbocker1

[racinfarmer]

15 minutes ago, Boonbocker1 said:

So those aren't consumer model sleds that anyone could buy at a dealer?

Edit*   what makes these models different than a consumer cat 600, engine wise?

15/20/23 RXC's could be bought through a dealer.  48+ 18's made it out the dealers as carryovers.  I'm fairly certain the ones you listed were raced.

I don't remember ever being able to buy a sno-x sled through a dealer like a snow check, but every now and then they'll slip out.

The RXC's are production based sleds and run the same long block.  There will be a different exhaust and mapping.

Not exactly sure on the sno-x sled.  They are pre-mix, but I think they were the ones at one time that had some tiny oil tank. that needed to be filled to oil the center crank bearing.  Edit, they still have this, 18 and newer for sure.  I know a few people that had them, didn't know about that, and roasted the crank.  

Edited April 16, 2023 by racinfarmer

[Deephaven]

2 hours ago, ZR6000RR said:

It is so damn fun riling you up. 

The only thing you are wrinkling up is the skin around your labia.

2 hours ago, Boonbocker1 said:

I searched marketplace quick...I think i looked at maybe 10 cat 6000 series sleds...found these 4 in a matter of a minute, maybe 2

Same when you look for 8's while more rare than it was years ago the c8 seems to be replaced a lot.  Way more as a percentage of what is for sale than the others

 

[ZR6000RR]

Wonder some times if deep realizes that he is babbling to air? 

[awful knawful]

2 hours ago, ZR6000RR said:

It is so damn fun riling you up. 

You're just a loud mouth bullshitter.

Suck a dick, homo!

[ZR6000RR]

3 minutes ago, awful knawful said:

You're just a loud mouth bullshitter.

Suck a dick, homo!

See? It's working. Name calling and all! Calling me gay? To fucking funny. Gays ride Polaris and Ski Doo.

[stinkipinki]

You could do the same for every brand, the ratio of rebuilt Poo and Doo 600s far outnumbers the CTEC. A quick search on marketplace reveals the same result if your looking to cherry pick. 

That lame reach of a reply, is hardly worth replying to, but just to be clear, it didnt say anything, or counter any points made.

[Deephaven]

2 hours ago, stinkipinki said:

You could do the same for every brand, the ratio of rebuilt Poo and Doo 600s far outnumbers the CTEC. A quick search on marketplace reveals the same result if your looking to cherry pick. 

 

You confuse ratio with absolute numbers.  As a percentage you will find way more cats rebuilt when looking at the years only since the ctec....which of course is what we are comparing.

[racinfarmer]

12 minutes ago, Deephaven said:

You confuse ratio with absolute numbers.  As a percentage you will find way more cats rebuilt when looking at the years only since the ctec....which of course is what we are comparing.

I see a lot more Cat RXC's for sale then I do the Polaris and Doo XC sleds.

If you remove the raced sleds, I wonder how the numbers would stack up in the 600's.

I don't see too many modern 600's being listed as rebuilt when they are sold.

The slotted piston design is practical, but can have it's challenges.  

[Crnr2Crnr]

13 hours ago, ZR6000RR said:

A 21? So it was a race sled, probably torn down and the head mechanic missed this. Got it now. Dementia is real! Get tested soon!

never raced... strike seven

13 hours ago, racinfarmer said:

I've been running the CTEC 600's since they came out in 14. 

Was super skeptical of them, but the only one I've had a catastrophic failure with was my 15 XF with 7500 miles that dumped the lower con rod bearing. 

I had it pinned WFO across a lake I knew had soft spots, hit a soft spot and bogged it way down.  Didn't run right after that.

For all the abuse, that has been the only major issue.

Still have that XF and another 15 XF with almost 11k on it and no rebuilds.  And others.

my beef in this case isn't with the engine design or it's capabilities... it's 110% lack of quality control issue and standing behind it.   I've also recently heard of an older 6000 with over 20k miles on it.

12 hours ago, ZR6000RR said:

Well the world may never know. 

we know... unless you are calling other members here liars?

12 hours ago, Boonbocker1 said:

I searched marketplace quick...I think i looked at maybe 10 cat 6000 series sleds...found these 4 in a matter of a minute, maybe 2

RF already addressed this as several of those are race sleds or possibly sleds that were raced... but the RXC engine is the same as any old production 6000 has.  The mapping, pipe and muffler don't make that big of a difference.  Also realize Cat is confident enough of the package that they have offered the Procross RXC to consumers multiple times.  If it had a vulnerable high strung engine package they wouldn't do that. 

I've got no problem calling them out and throwing them under the bus for the problem we've experienced. 

 

[Deephaven]

7 hours ago, racinfarmer said:

I see a lot more Cat RXC's for sale then I do the Polaris and Doo XC sleds.

If you remove the raced sleds, I wonder how the numbers would stack up in the 600's.

I don't see too many modern 600's being listed as rebuilt when they are sold.

The slotted piston design is practical, but can have it's challenges.  

I haven't actually looked for any 600 sleds, only big bores and that is where I see more Cats with replaced engines but again also only looking for newer machines.

[stinkipinki]

7 hours ago, Deephaven said:

You confuse ratio with absolute numbers.  As a percentage you will find way more cats rebuilt when looking at the years only since the ctec....

Nope I dont. Polaris and Doo easily have the most engines issues of the 4 brands if you use marketplace to judge. It is what it is.

[Crnr2Crnr]

2 minutes ago, stinkipinki said:

Nope I dont. Polaris and Doo easily have the most engines issues of the 4 brands if you use marketplace to judge. It is what it is.

they also sell 4X more sleds than Cat does... use some math

[mnstang]

Scratch that, 62 pages of jealousy.  

Where's the 62 page Polaris and skidoo threads?  You'd think that as biased as the "green goggle" are they'd be non stop attacking the other brands. ??? Because it's the green guys with the problem amiright?  Lol deranged 

[Bontz]

10 minutes ago, mnstang said:

Scratch that, 62 pages of jealousy.  

Where's the 62 page Polaris and skidoo threads?  You'd think that as biased as the "green goggle" are they'd be non stop attacking the other brands. ??? Because it's the green guys with the problem amiright?  Lol deranged 

Well, you guys have Ramstad ... so there is that.  That's generally worth 10+ pages by itself 

[ZR6000RR]

15 minutes ago, Bontz said:

Well, you guys have Ramstad ... so there is that.  That's generally worth 10+ pages by itself 

Proof you fantasize about me there Bontz.

[Crnr2Crnr]

38 minutes ago, mnstang said:

Scratch that, 62 pages of jealousy.  

Where's the 62 page Polaris and skidoo threads?  You'd think that as biased as the "green goggle" are they'd be non stop attacking the other brands. ??? Because it's the green guys with the problem amiright?  Lol deranged 

no one is stopping anyone including you from starting Polaris and SkiDoo bashing threads here... 

fire one up... those are quite good entertainment

 

getting back to the Catalyst... all seems good so far. 

 

[stinkipinki]

4 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

they also sell 4X more sleds than Cat does... use some math

Well then they have 12x the issues then, hahaha!

Edited April 16, 2023 by stinkipinki

[awful knawful]

5 hours ago, ZR6000RR said:

Proof you fantasize about me there Bontz.

 

[Crnr2Crnr]

so getting back to the new engine topic...   

V3112BRC-873-2 | VForce3R for Arctic Cat 600 C-TEC2 Engines (mototassinari.com)

these are the Carbon Vforce reeds I ordered for the RXC and I wonder if they will be using them on the Catalyst 600 and ??? big bore or the standard Vforce reeds...

V3112BR-873-2 | VForce3R for Arctic Cat 800 C-TEC2 Engines (mototassinari.com)

 

@racinfarmer @fortune46x @krom @Palu49... you guys have experience with the 'C' models?

 

edit... wait, which Catalyst thread were we discussing the reeds in @mnstang?  

Edited April 16, 2023 by Crnr2Crnr

[ZR6000RR]

2 hours ago, awful knawful said:

 

I knew I've seen you. Spoild kid. Unsure of what sex you were.

[krom]

2 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

so getting back to the new engine topic...   

V3112BRC-873-2 | VForce3R for Arctic Cat 600 C-TEC2 Engines (mototassinari.com)

these are the Carbon Vforce reeds I ordered for the RXC and I wonder if they will be using them on the Catalyst 600 and ??? big bore or the standard Vforce reeds...

V3112BR-873-2 | VForce3R for Arctic Cat 800 C-TEC2 Engines (mototassinari.com)

 

@racinfarmer @fortune46x @krom @Palu49... you guys have experience with the 'C' models?

 

edit... wait, which Catalyst thread were we discussing the reeds in @mnstang?  

I've installed them in CT2 800s but don't have an official answer as to what is different with the "C" version.  I ASSuME that the petal thickness, or geometry is different for the smaller 600.  I also wonder why they are buying them, instead of using their own version..  I've never had the best luck getting long life from v-force reeds on my personal stuff.

Edited April 16, 2023 by krom

[Not greg b]

10 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

never raced... strike seven

my beef in this case isn't with the engine design or it's capabilities... it's 110% lack of quality control issue and standing behind it.   I've also recently heard of an older 6000 with over 20k miles on it.

we know... unless you are calling other members here liars?

RF already addressed this as several of those are race sleds or possibly sleds that were raced... but the RXC engine is the same as any old production 6000 has.  The mapping, pipe and muffler don't make that big of a difference.  Also realize Cat is confident enough of the package that they have offered the Procross RXC to consumers multiple times.  If it had a vulnerable high strung engine package they wouldn't do that. 

I've got no problem calling them out and throwing them under the bus for the problem we've experienced. 

 

You should have been running amsoil in it 

[Crnr2Crnr]

12 minutes ago, krom said:

I've installed them in CT2 800s but don't have an official answer as to what is different with the "C" version.  I ASSuME that the petal thickness, or geometry is different for the smaller 600.  I also wonder why they are buying them, instead of using their own version..  I've never had the best luck getting long life from v-force reeds on my personal stuff.

idk man... https://store.mototassinari.com/vforce3.html

The unique design of the VForce reed valve system features double the reed tip surface over a conventional reed valve design. This has two major benefits: 1) The reed petals only travel half the distance as a conventional reed valve design to get the same airflow. 2) Because the reed petals only need to travel half the distance of that on a conventional reed valve design, there is a greater chance of them being fully opened as well as a better chance of sealing when they are "closed". A reed petal never truly "closes" in a classic sense, as it is always in movement. Consider this, an engine operating at 8,000 RPM results in a reed petal opening and closing 133 times in one second. This fact, sheds light on another VForce advantage. Since the petals are only traveling half the distance, they generally last longer are they receive less wear than the reed petals on a conventional reed valve design.

speedwerx shows 6000/8000 as the same https://speedwerx.com/moto-tassinari-vforce-3r-reed-valves-600-6000-800-8000-c-tec-2.html

wait, they let janitors install reeds? 

 

Edited April 16, 2023 by Crnr2Crnr