Doug Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, krom said: Polaris had more revisions to the first year dragon 800, than cat has had on all 800 engines since 2003 combined. Lets not forget that there was a single remap to the gen 1 ct2 800 to fix a rich issue causing flames from the exhaust, and 0 revisions for longevity or durability. Gen II came about in 2020 to lower emissions, and was/is more reliable than any year 800, or 840 poo. Somewhere after that a beancounter at textron, or QC managed to screw the pooch, and the "great deal" they got on injectors didn't turn out too well. That combined with the jerk-offs at team changing the spider shimming to try and keep their junk clutches from getting hot and exploding (over-revving, doesn't help) Causing a higher percentage of engine failures than any other AC product in the last 20 years. Still not as high as any poo engine over 600 cc, but higher than what AC riders have come to expect... AC released a flash to fix it, and is putting complete engines in any sled that has an issue. Or the changing of the injectors and piston design for Arctic cat. LOL a reflash of engine design. To bad the joint design efforts on the clutches also failed for Arctic cat Today is kind of a sad day in our riding group. The lone Arctic Cat rider we had left in our group sold his sled and will be on a Polaris or Ski-Doo. Good luck in the future. Edited February 19, 2022 by Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, Doug said: Or the changing of the injectors and piston design for Arctic cat. LOL a reflash of engine design. To bad the joint design efforts on the clutches also failed for Arctic cat Today is kind of a sad day in our riding group. The lone Arctic Cat rider we had left in our group sold his sled and will be on a Polaris or Ski-Doo. Good luck in the future. first year poo 800 had at least 3 complete top end re-designs as updates.. pistons/cylinders/head. Eventually they changed the cases, and the rest of the countless re-designes parts no longer fit the original bottom end, so they told those owners to pound sand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, krom said: first year poo 800 had at least 3 complete top end re-designs as updates.. pistons/cylinders/head. Eventually they changed the cases, and the rest of the countless re-designes parts no longer fit the original bottom end, so they told those owners to pound sand. Oh Krom you need to put the caps on the chemicals you use when your clean the toilets. It's effecting your thought process again. Good luck in the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Doug said: Oh Krom you need to put the caps on the chemicals you use when your clean the toilets. It's effecting your thought process again. Good luck in the future. Kind of a weird way to respond to facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Badger** said: I wonder if they sell kits for Cat so they don't burn to the ground. 2/17/22 Porkies in the UP. Could show you lots of polaris burnt up as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger** Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said: Could show you lots of polaris burnt up as well. Let me know when I should quit. 2022 272113383_306603091426816_1908325381636391334_n.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 34 minutes ago, krom said: Kind of a weird way to respond to facts More so responding to a delusional person. Krom = facts Did Arctic cat release the 2023 decals yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Krom has to pull out the mid 2000's to defend the Ctec. Rofl. The Ctec 8 is still a POS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Deephaven said: Krom has to pull out the mid 2000's to defend the Ctec. Rofl. The Ctec 8 is still a POS. Krom pointed out that every single poo engine over 600 is hot garbage, including the mid 200's 800, every year 840, even the new 650's are blowing up, and fouling plugs Edited February 19, 2022 by krom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Jackson Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Ziemann said: I don't know that there was ever a better 800 class engine than the Suzuki 800. It was the benchmark that everyone was striving to beat. Bulletproof. Versus the flame thrower 800 that goes down that dealers can't get parts for half of the time? Cat's 600 has a great track record. The C-tec2 800 has had how many reflashes and revisions in it's short lifespan thus far? Seems that they all make a great 600 class sleds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Badger** said: I wonder if they sell kits for Cat so they don't burn to the ground. 2/17/22 Porkies in the UP. Old Forge NY: Edited February 19, 2022 by krom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 Polaris with a tow strap already attached.. Must be hard to get across that slush spot when are towing a blown up pile of shit.. From today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boonbocker1 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Badger** said: Let me know when I should quit. 2022 272113383_306603091426816_1908325381636391334_n.mp4 Dam Badger surprised you actually have a pic of one on the trail. Seems they're one snowcheck away from being extinct. Your not creeping all the forums and Facebook pages to find these pics like some janitor are you? 😂🤣 Edited February 20, 2022 by Doug 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger** Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, krom said: Old Forge NY: UP 2020 271908756_255139983414320_36198993108256674_n.mp4 Edited February 20, 2022 by Badger** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger** Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) And the winner. My friends were trying to give them CPR to no avail. 2018ish Lake Gogebic Mi Edited February 20, 2022 by Badger** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziemann Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 8 hours ago, J. Jackson said: Seems that they all make a great 600 class sleds. Well....except for maybe Yamaha...... LOLOLOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleflipper Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Where are you guys getting all these pics of the Cats, there are next to none where I ride. Most of the Cat guys in my area are now on Doo or Poo. Guess it doesn't help that 3 dealers in the area packed it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldslowsledder Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Tripleflipper said: Where are you guys getting all these pics of the Cats, there are next to none where I ride. Most of the Cat guys in my area are now on Doo or Poo. Guess it doesn't help that 3 dealers in the area packed it in. It's funny you say that, I was thinking the same thing until yesterday, son and I rode to Jake's in Port Loring, saw lots of Cat's for a change, but mostly older stuff. Our local Cat dealer gave up sleds a few years ago when they Textron awarded ATV's to his competitor down the road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Same. See hardly any ProCross here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 This entire thread and the vast majority of the comments is further proof that BRP is 'winning'. On 2/19/2022 at 7:57 AM, Ziemann said: I don't know that there was ever a better 800 class engine than the Suzuki 800. It was the benchmark that everyone was striving to beat. Bulletproof. Versus the flame thrower 800 that goes down that dealers can't get parts for half of the time? Cat's 600 has a great track record. The C-tec2 800 has had how many reflashes and revisions in it's short lifespan thus far? From what I've heard, the ct8000 performs better when it's not overheating, shooting flames, burning down top ends or running into a mid-range bog. The zuke, stone cold reliability, which to people that like to actually ride is rather important. The reliability of the zuke is part of what's made the ct8000 look like a stink bomb. Friend of a friend here has done two top ends, maybe three? on his 19. Had a coolant leak in one jug, sent me some pics before sending it off to an engine guy I trust... porous absolute shit casting. If buying a new Cat in the past five years, the 6000 is the safe bet, but down 5hp to the competition. 22 hours ago, wrinkly balls said: I guess i would be #4. I've had 2014, 2015,2017,2019 Ctec 600's and they have all been excellent engines. Good on fuel and crazy good on oil!!!!!Would never go back to a zuke!!! but, would you buy an 8000 ? 22 hours ago, krom said: Polaris had more revisions to the first year dragon 800, than cat has had on all 800 engines since 2003 combined. Lets not forget that there was a single remap to the gen 1 ct2 800 to fix a rich issue causing flames from the exhaust, and 0 revisions for longevity or durability. Gen II came about in 2020 to lower emissions, and was/is more reliable than any year 800, or 840 poo. Somewhere after that a beancounter at textron, or QC managed to screw the pooch, and the "great deal" they got on injectors didn't turn out too well. That combined with the jerk-offs at team changing the spider shimming to try and keep their junk clutches from getting hot and exploding (over-revving, doesn't help) Causing a higher percentage of engine failures than any other AC product in the last 20 years. Still not as high as any poo engine over 600 cc, but higher than what AC riders have come to expect... AC released a flash to fix it, and is putting complete engines in any sled that has an issue. you forgot they didn't put a better pipe on the 2020 and up because that costs money just sayin 17 hours ago, J. Jackson said: Seems that they all make a great 600 class sleds. right! all three manu's EPA friendly 600's have been trustworthy and reliable for quite some time jury is still out on the Poo 650 but I'd wager they'll get it dialed in before the CT8000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleflipper Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 21 minutes ago, oldslowsledder said: It's funny you say that, I was thinking the same thing until yesterday, son and I rode to Jake's in Port Loring, saw lots of Cat's for a change, but mostly older stuff. Our local Cat dealer gave up sleds a few years ago when they Textron awarded ATV's to his competitor down the road Yes, I see a few old ones around but they could be 2022's 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Tripleflipper said: Yes, I see a few old ones around but they could be 2022's just a simple graphics change and viola... CURRENT MODEL YEAR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: just a simple graphics change and viola... CURRENT MODEL YEAR Pretty much what poo has done. Same for doo. Change the plastic and call it all new. To funny! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said: Pretty much what poo has done. Same for doo. Change the plastic and call it all new. To funny! well, I don't completely disagree with you and on that note Cat hasn't changed jack shit cosmetically since 2018 they need imo, an updated skid (have patent for one), revised seating position and seat, new plastics, graphics Cat fans appreciate, they already have good lighting, and to shed a few lbs of unecessary weight. they also need to start selling the 6000 & 8000 RXC to the public imo, as Doo does with the XRS and Poo does with the XCR. Save the Luxury shit for the Limited models. Dump this RR (racer replica) moniker ffs... as they have little to nothing to do with the SX or XC sled. reminds me of the type of people that buy an imitation Rolex... where the PC lacks (but is smart for manufacturing) is being a one size fits all chassis from the 600, 800, 998 perspective. Poo gets away with less because they are all 2S sleds, and Doo has two platforms... one for 2S & one for 4S. that's fair and constructive criticism, what's yours? Edited February 20, 2022 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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