Crnr2Crnr Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said: And it's 100 lbs heavier somehow. A fellow Seinfeld fan has arrived? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Just now, Crnr2Crnr said: A fellow Seinfeld fan has arrived? New around here - I'm an importer/exporter. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 10 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said: New around here - I'm an importer/exporter. Loved your architecture 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 50 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said: I used to be anti electric start. Then trying to pull over my 2005 Ram, never going without ever again. 30 lbs. If that is to much, lose some weight! Fuck the idiots! Your a pussy so that makes sense although you implied you could use all the exercise you can get so perhaps it is time to man up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger** Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Cat over the last 5 years has not done much for the sport. Cat is dead in the water and needs something to pump new life to AC. At the end of the day its all about sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Just now, Badger** said: Cat over the last 5 years has not done much for the sport. Cat is dead in the water and needs something to pump new life to AC. At the end of the day its all about sales. Sold every sled they built the last 4 years! Best sales the last 2. What about sales again? Because selling the most is best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 5 hours ago, ZR6000RR said: Sold every sled they built the last 4 years! LOL and you bought all 3 of them. Probably waiting to be delivered like your 2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleflipper Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 7 hours ago, Badger** said: Cat over the last 5 years has not done much for the sport. Cat is dead in the water and needs something to pump new life to AC. At the end of the day its all about sales. Not according to the Cat guys, sales are not important. Waiting for the Ford vs Ferrari comparo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleflipper Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 7 hours ago, ZR6000RR said: Sold every sled they built the last 4 years! Best sales the last 2. What about sales again? Because selling the most is best? It's easy to sell all you make when you make very little. 5% share and going south Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 If they were desirable they would sell more. Really simple. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p51mstg Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Actually, there are two ways to look at it: 1 - Is Cat lagging way behind Polaris and Ski Doo in sales? Clearly, yes. It has taken them 15-20 years to get to this point, where people wonder if this will be the last year for Cat. They’re lagging behind in innovation, but worse than that they’re way lagging behind in image. Sad. 2 - Did Cat sell every sled they could make, and a few more? Absolutely, they did. Could they sell sleds they can’t make? I suppose they could, but running a production line at 100% capacity is any manufacturers dream. I’m not going to speculate about what if the supply chain was solved tomorrow, I’m just saying that Cat is running at 100% capacity right now and that’s a very good thing. Look at it however you prefer, but I see both at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 58 minutes ago, Tripleflipper said: It's easy to sell all you make when you make very little. 5% share and going south I love it when an idiot comes out and states numbers he cannot back up. But ok. Will let you think you are smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 35 minutes ago, p51mstg said: Actually, there are two ways to look at it: 1 - Is Cat lagging way behind Polaris and Ski Doo in sales? Clearly, yes. It has taken them 15-20 years to get to this point, where people wonder if this will be the last year for Cat. They’re lagging behind in innovation, but worse than that they’re way lagging behind in image. Sad. 2 - Did Cat sell every sled they could make, and a few more? Absolutely, they did. Could they sell sleds they can’t make? I suppose they could, but running a production line at 100% capacity is any manufacturers dream. I’m not going to speculate about what if the supply chain was solved tomorrow, I’m just saying that Cat is running at 100% capacity right now and that’s a very good thing. Look at it however you prefer, but I see both at the same time. Except the capacity is artificially limited by other product lines. They could build way more, but don't sell enough to allocate that over their other product lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boonbocker1 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 37 minutes ago, p51mstg said: Actually, there are two ways to look at it: 1 - Is Cat lagging way behind Polaris and Ski Doo in sales? Clearly, yes. It has taken them 15-20 years to get to this point, where people wonder if this will be the last year for Cat. They’re lagging behind in innovation, but worse than that they’re way lagging behind in image. Sad. 2 - Did Cat sell every sled they could make, and a few more? Absolutely, they did. Could they sell sleds they can’t make? I suppose they could, but running a production line at 100% capacity is any manufacturers dream. I’m not going to speculate about what if the supply chain was solved tomorrow, I’m just saying that Cat is running at 100% capacity right now and that’s a very good thing. Look at it however you prefer, but I see both at the same time. Except ramstad said in another thread a week or so ago cat can only build half the sleds a day that they could a few yrs ago and they are looking to hire 500 more workers in order to get back to that capacity. He also said since cat can't sell that many sleds to their own dealers its good they now make sleds for doo to help keep the plant running Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airflite1 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, p51mstg said: Actually, there are two ways to look at it: 1 - Is Cat lagging way behind Polaris and Ski Doo in sales? Clearly, yes. It has taken them 15-20 years to get to this point, where people wonder if this will be the last year for Cat. They’re lagging behind in innovation, but worse than that they’re way lagging behind in image. Sad. 2 - Did Cat sell every sled they could make, and a few more? Absolutely, they did. Could they sell sleds they can’t make? I suppose they could, but running a production line at 100% capacity is any manufacturers dream. I’m not going to speculate about what if the supply chain was solved tomorrow, I’m just saying that Cat is running at 100% capacity right now and that’s a very good thing. Look at it however you prefer, but I see both at the same time. The first thing I thought when I saw The Lynx marketing video is they are going hard after Cat’s faithful. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, airflite1 said: The first thing I thought when I saw The Lynx marketing video is they are going hard after Cat’s faithful. And they have the attention of a few of us ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palu49 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 hours ago, airflite1 said: The first thing I thought when I saw The Lynx marketing video is they are going hard after Cat’s faithful. I think it’s more at the assault guys that still “ride hard”. Cat doesn’t really have an uncoupled “trail” sled that’s relevant. Even if I was in that market idk if I’d think twice about an uncoupled Doo, the coupled ones don’t even turn worth a fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Riding buddy of mine just sold his Cat (ok, sidewinder) and picked up a Lynx Rave. I am excited to try it although it is too small of a cockpit for me to own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleflipper Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 5 hours ago, ZR6000RR said: I love it when an idiot comes out and states numbers he cannot back up. But ok. Will let you think you are smart. You must have been looking clearly in the mirror with this comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, Tripleflipper said: You must have been looking clearly in the mirror with this comment Were you standing behind me? Could clearly make you out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airflite1 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Palu49 said: I think it’s more at the assault guys that still “ride hard”. Cat doesn’t really have an uncoupled “trail” sled that’s relevant. Even if I was in that market idk if I’d think twice about an uncoupled Doo, the coupled ones don’t even turn worth a fuck. Something to compete with the assault, but their marketing is very aggressive and youthful like the old Cat marketing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Palu49 said: I think it’s more at the assault guys that still “ride hard”. Cat doesn’t really have an uncoupled “trail” sled that’s relevant. Even if I was in that market idk if I’d think twice about an uncoupled Doo, the coupled ones don’t even turn worth a fuck. Assault guys that ride hard?? That sled sucks at anything and will fold in 1/2 if you beat it hard. The riot is cats version to go after it. The lynx is to go after the rr/rxc/xrs/xcr buyer. Those sleds will run a circle around a riot or an assault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palu49 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 24 minutes ago, Not greg b said: Assault guys that ride hard?? That sled sucks at anything and will fold in 1/2 if you beat it hard. The riot is cats version to go after it. The lynx is to go after the rr/rxc/xrs/xcr buyer. Those sleds will run a circle around a riot or an assault. That’s what I’m saying, an uncoupled wheelie machine for people that think they ride too hard for an assault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 40 minutes ago, Not greg b said: Assault guys that ride hard?? That sled sucks at anything and will fold in 1/2 if you beat it hard. The riot is cats version to go after it. The lynx is to go after the rr/rxc/xrs/xcr buyer. Those sleds will run a circle around a riot or an assault. Have you ridden an Assault? Perhaps your definition of beat it hard is different than mine, but I am super impressed at how well it does at everything. It is more work than the coupled shorter xcr in the tight stuff but is very composed. The other negative is that when you jump it the sled likes to fly skis up so it is a bit hairier, but even landing stupidly because of it the chassis has been great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 45 minutes ago, Palu49 said: That’s what I’m saying, an uncoupled wheelie machine for people that think they ride too hard for an assault. The Riot is not coupled but does have the TCL to control said wheelies. Never understood why you want your ski's aiming to the sky. Not better for traction and I have never been able to turn for shit when my ski's were off the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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