Snake Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 The government decides to try to increase the middle class by subsidizing things that middle class people have: If middle-class people go to college and own homes, then surely if more people go to college and own homes, we’ll have more middle-class people. But homeownership and college aren’t causes of middle-class status, they’re markers for possessing the kinds of traits — self-discipline, the ability to defer gratification, etc. — that let you enter, and stay, in the middle class. Subsidizing the markers doesn’t produce the traits; if anything, it undermines them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Not sure what their is to discuss on this. This is common sense. Or, are we to discuss how the left doesn’t understand common sense? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 1, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 1, 2021 (edited) Get the vaccine! Edited August 1, 2021 by Highmark 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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teamgreen02 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 34 minutes ago, Snake said: The government decides to try to increase the middle class by subsidizing things that middle class people have: If middle-class people go to college and own homes, then surely if more people go to college and own homes, we’ll have more middle-class people. But homeownership and college aren’t causes of middle-class status, they’re markers for possessing the kinds of traits — self-discipline, the ability to defer gratification, etc. — that let you enter, and stay, in the middle class. Subsidizing the markers doesn’t produce the traits; if anything, it undermines them. If I were in the trades I'd consider moving to cabin country and opening a handyman type business catering to high end customers. Focus on customer service and reliability to build a loyal customer base.$ That's a $100k+ per year job right now in a low COL area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 shit for many middle class is an illusion pumped up by debt. We really need to bring marxism to the forefront in america so everyone can be equal and pursue their passion projects in life /s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Why not question why taxpayers subsidize the top? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Debt driven economy. To keep it going you have to keep increasing the debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Anler said: Debt driven economy. To keep it going you have to keep increasing the debt. $50k dollar truck or, ONLY $600/mo for ten years. $15k sled or, ONLY $300/mo for five years. Well….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Mainecat said: Why not question why taxpayers subsidize the top? Because the top subsidize millions of workers you fucking simple turnip. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, teamgreen02 said: If I were in the trades I'd consider moving to cabin country and opening a handyman type business catering to high end customers. Focus on customer service and reliability to build a loyal customer base.$ That's a $100k+ per year job right now in a low COL area. I know a guy that moved up north to make rustic furniture. He’s got 60 people working for him now. All the cabins and second homes around traverse city are filled with his furniture. It’s really expensive stuff and he caters to the folks with money. I was looking at his catalog and a night stand is $945. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 47 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Because the top subsidize millions of workers you fucking simple turnip. It’s the other way around tiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sled_Hed Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 3 hours ago, teamgreen02 said: If I were in the trades I'd consider moving to cabin country and opening a handyman type business catering to high end customers. Focus on customer service and reliability to build a loyal customer base.$ That's a $100k+ per year job right now in a low COL area. There are people constantly posting on an area Facebook page here (Mille Lacs Lake) looking for that exact type of thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnstang Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 The left doesn't actually want more middle class. They want to promise you the middle class. But they will always have the boogeyman excuse for why you can't get there. This is why they're always stoking the culture war, they don't give a fuck about anybody anything except for getting re elected so they can make more$. They need to keep people poor and dependent on the government. And hating each other. That's why they try to separate us by race, sex, class. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Mainecat said: It’s the other way around tiny. Dummy. So, you subsidized yourself BIL’a operation when CLEARLY, his charity saved your stupid ass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 30 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Dummy. So, you subsidized yourself BIL’a operation when CLEARLY, his charity saved your stupid ass. My BIL died in 07. Seems businesses are crying for help right now. Yeah who needs workers right tiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 I would say it isn't a one way or the other issue. It would be a mixed bag. Some people will excel wonderfully if given middle class access. Others would squander the gift. This goes for pretty much any position of wealth outside of poverty. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 22 minutes ago, Mainecat said: My BIL died in 07. Seems businesses are crying for help right now. Yeah who needs workers right tiny. Who cares….and, wut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 20 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: I would say it isn't a one way or the other issue. It would be a mixed bag. Some people will excel wonderfully if given middle class access. Others would squander the gift. This goes for pretty much any position of wealth outside of poverty. Neal Middle class “access”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: Middle class “access”. The south side of Chicago is only a 20 minute bus ride to one of the busiest downtown business centers in the world. What happened there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Edmo said: The south side of Chicago is only a 20 minute bus ride to one of the busiest downtown business centers in the world. What happened there? Lack of bus ticket access? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Mainecat said: Why not question why taxpayers subsidize the top? 50% of people pay no tax at all and many have a negitive tax rate. Conversely, the top 10% pay 85% of all of the income tax. Go fuck your victim mentality. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 6 hours ago, teamgreen02 said: If I were in the trades I'd consider moving to cabin country and opening a handyman type business catering to high end customers. Focus on customer service and reliability to build a loyal customer base.$ That's a $100k+ per year job right now in a low COL area. It is more than 100k A kid/ guy who worked for me for 5 yrs he managed a car wash before starting with me . He moved back to his home town in North Eastern MN cabin countery about 1.5 yrs ago . He made just north of 100k year 1 . Imho did not have all the skills perfected to remodel high end homes on his own but good enough to send out to ww2 ramblers on his own obviously it dose not matter how good you are in cabin countery if you show up you are gold . I have thought about it but it is hard to walk away from what I built . I won't even take new customers unless they are a family member or real close friend of a existing customer. Been that way for over 10 yrs now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Mainecat said: Why not question why taxpayers subsidize the top? Top 10% pay around 85% of the total tax burden . But keep buying the bull shit . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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