Expert testimony: Kyle Rittenhouse made a reasonable decision to shoot

[spin_dry]

4 minutes ago, Roosting said:

Kinda like you fancy yourself an upper level mensa alumni 

If that were true I certainly wouldn’t be spending any time here. 

[Roosting]

1 hour ago, spin_dry said:

If that were true I certainly wouldn’t be spending any time here. 

So your just a 73'er swinging for the fences then?

[ArcticCrusher]

3 hours ago, ACE said:

Some  major things for self defence are feeling your life is being threatened, reacting with reasonable force, and stopping once the threat is neutralized. 
 

these all appear to factors in this case 

Kyle was thrown to the ground and was being assaulted with a weapon and being attacked by several people during a riot. His decision to shoot was reasonable, and he quit after the threat was neutralized.

in the case of Michael Dunn one of the reasons he got convicted of murder when he killed that black kid was he unloaded like 11 rounds into their car even when they were trying to flee from him. It clearly wasn’t self defence 

Game over.

 

 

 

[Rod]

27 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Game over.

 

 

 

Prosecutor is sounding desperate 

[ArcticCrusher]

21 minutes ago, ACE said:

Prosecutor is sounding desperate 

Not looking good for the case.  Kyle is going to be rich.

 

 

[Rod]

28 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said:

Not looking good for the case.  Kyle is going to be rich.

 

 

Wtf is the prosecutor smoking lol

[Zambroski]

1 minute ago, ACE said:

Wtf is the prosecutor smoking lol

Twat weed.

[steve from amherst]

My prediction

If they have the option of manslaughter , guilty.

If it's murder or nothing , aquitted.

[Zambroski]

52 minutes ago, steve from amherst said:

My prediction

If they have the option of manslaughter , guilty.

If it's murder or nothing , aquitted.

The only thing he is guilty of is hanging around afterwards.  Otherwise, not guilty on all charges.

[ArcticCrusher]

56 minutes ago, steve from amherst said:

My prediction

If they have the option of manslaughter , guilty.

If it's murder or nothing , aquitted.

No.  

[Rod]

Sounds like that rosenbaum guy was a POS 

[XCR1250]

Witness: Kenosha victim was belligerent but no threat

SCOTT BAUER, MICHAEL TARM and AMY FORLITI

Thu, November 4, 2021, 10:49 PM

 

 

KENOSHA, Wis. (AP) — The first man shot and killed by Kyle Rittenhouse on the streets of Kenosha was acting “belligerently” that night but did not appear to pose a serious threat to anyone, a witness testified Friday at Rittenhouse's murder trial.

Jason Lackowski, a former Marine who said he took an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle to Kenosha last year to help protect property during violent protests against racial injustice, said that Joseph Rosenbaum “asked very bluntly to shoot him” and took a few “false steppings ... to entice someone to do something.”

Lackowski got up from the witness stand and demonstrated what he called “false stepping.” He took a small step and slight lurch forward, then stopped.

But Lackowski, who was called as a witness by the prosecution, said he considered Rosenbaum a “babbling idiot” and turned his back and ignored him. But he also admitted he didn’t see everything that went on between Rittenhouse and Rosenbaum, including their final clash.

In other testimony, the prosecution suffered a potential blow when Rosenbaum’s fiancee, Kariann Swart, disclosed that he was on medication for bipolar disorder and depression but didn't fill his prescriptions because the local pharmacy was boarded up as a result of the unrest — information Rittenhouse's lawyers could use in their bid to portray Rosenbaum as the aggressor that night.

The judge allowed the defense to elicit testimony about Rosenbaum's mental illness because prosecutors brought up mention of medication. Had prosecutors not touched on the topic, it is unlikely the judge would have let the defense bring it up.

On the day he was shot, Rosenbaum had been released from a Milwaukee hospital. The jury was told that much, but not why he had been admitted — after a suicide attempt.

Rittenhouse, 18, is charged with shooting three men, two fatally, in the summer of 2020. The one-time police youth cadet was 17 when he went to Kenosha with an AR-style rifle and a medical kit in what he said was an effort to safeguard property from the demonstrations that broke out over the shooting of Jacob Blake, a Black man, by a white Kenosha police officer.

Rittenhouse is white, as were those he shot. Prosecutors have portrayed Rittenhouse as the instigator of the bloodshed, while his lawyer has argued that he acted in self-defense, suggesting among other things that Rittenhouse feared his weapon would be taken away and used against him.

On Thursday, witnesses testified that a belligerent Rosenbaum angrily threatened to kill Rittenhouse that night and that Rosenbaum was later gunned down after he chased Rittenhouse and lunged for the young man's rifle.

A state crime lab DNA analyst testified Friday that she tested the barrel guard from Rittenhouse's rifle and did not find DNA from Rosenbaum or the other man killed that night, Anthony Huber. But Amber Rasmussen said she received no swabs from the actual barrel of the gun and would have no way of knowing if Rosenbaum touched it.

Under cross-examination by Rittenhouse attorney Corey Chirafasi, Rasmussen was shown still images of Huber and Rittenhouse and agreed they appeared to show Huber touching the rifle. She also acknowledged that the absence of Huber’s DNA on the gun doesn't mean he didn't touch it.

In testifying about patrolling the streets of Kenosha against protest violence, Lackowski and another veteran, former Army infantryman Ryan Balch, both used military terminology that reflected their backgrounds.

Lackowski referred to “areas of occupation,” talked about taking up his “post” in a parking lot, and said he was trained in “shout, shove, show, shoot.”

“You shout, you shove, you show your firearm and you shoot,” Lackowski explained.

Balch used the term “plate carrier,” which he explained means body armor. He gave a detailed explanation of the differences between full metal jacket bullets and hollow points, and talked about ensuring the armed citizens in Kenosha that night worked in pairs to protect each other.

According to testimony, Rosenbaum, 36, was unarmed and did not hurt anyone that night. During the clash with Rittenhouse, Rosenbaum threw a clear plastic hospital bag that he had been given to hold his toiletries.

Rosenbaum’s fiancee testified that hours before he was killed, she told him not to go to downtown Kenosha because of the unrest.

“When he left, he said that he would see me in the morning and he was all excited and ‘I love you.’ It was a pleasant visit,” Swart said.

After getting a call from the medical examiner that Rosenbaum had died, Swart said, she fell to her knees and cried and then found a video online showing him dying: “I broke down and I can’t get that image out of my head.”

In the morning, Swart said, she went to the spot at a car dealership where Rosenbaum lay on the ground after being shot. “And I put my hand in it and my hand was wet with his blood. And that’s again when I collapsed on the ground.”

Rosenbaum's killing has emerged as one of the most crucial moments that night because it set in motion the bloodshed that followed moments later.

Rittenhouse shot and killed Huber, a 26-year-old protester seen on bystander video hitting Rittenhouse with a skateboard. Rittenhouse then wounded Gaige Grosskreutz, 27, who had a gun in his hand as he stepped toward Rittenhouse.

Rittenhouse could get life in prison if convicted in the case that has stirred furious debate over self-defense, vigilantism, the right to bear arms and the racial unrest that erupted around the U.S. after the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis and other cases like it.

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Bauer reported from Madison, Wisconsin; Forliti from Minneapolis. Associated Press writer Tammy Webber contributed from Fenton, Michigan.

[Rod]

Sounds like this rosenbaum idiot just played a stupid game and won a stupid prize 

[NaturallyAspirated]

From what I see he is only guilty of the under 18 misdemeanor.

Neal

[DriftBusta]

13 hours ago, ACE said:

Sounds like this rosenbaum idiot just played a stupid game and won a stupid prize 

Imagine?  Aim a gun at someone and getting owned to the tune of getting your bicep blown off?!  Epic fail.    

[Rod]

8 hours ago, NaturallyAspirated said:

From what I see he is only guilty of the under 18 misdemeanor.

Neal

Neil <3 

[Rod]

The other person doesn’t have to be armed with a firearm for you to shoot them and claim self defence either 

[Zambroski]

19 minutes ago, ACE said:

The other person doesn’t have to be armed with a firearm for you to shoot them and claim self defence either 

This used to be the case for sure.  Liberal prosecutors and judges are trying to change it and doing well.  You almost need to survive the initial attack before you can "defend yourself".  Worthless fucking twats.

Pro tip: if you carry one weapon of any type, ALWAYS carry two.  

[Rod]

10 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

This used to be the case for sure.  Liberal prosecutors and judges are trying to change it and doing well.  You almost need to survive the initial attack before you can "defend yourself".  Worthless fucking twats.

Pro tip: if you carry one weapon of any type, ALWAYS carry two.  

Even here you can shoot someone attacking you. The criteria is reasonable force. So if they’re coming at you with any sort of weapon you can absolutely shoot them. Just they have to be coming towards you and you can’t over do it. Like for example, shoot them once. Not 10 times. Once the threat is over you have to stop. Sounds reasonable to me 

[Mainecat]

Rittenhouse is a murderer 

Edited November 6, 2021 by Mainecat

[Rod]

MC got a “clever” new name from DU ever neat!

[Zambroski]

1 minute ago, ACE said:

Even here you can shoot someone attacking you. The criteria is reasonable force. So if they’re coming at you with any sort of weapon you can absolutely shoot them. Just they have to be coming towards you and you can’t over do it. Like for example, shoot them once. Not 10 times. Once the threat is over you have to stop. Sounds reasonable to me 

Like I said, this used to be the case.  And really, they don't have to be armed.  You just have to be in fear for your life.

1 minute ago, Mainecat said:

Rittenhouse is a murderer 

I'd like to squeeze your skull 'til it pops.  With your soft head, shouldn't take much effort. 

[Sleepr2]

3 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

Rittenhouse is a murderer 

Right out of duh underground. 

[Rod]

6 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

Like I said, this used to be the case.  And really, they don't have to be armed.  You just have to be in fear for your life.

I'd like to squeeze your skull 'til it pops.  With your soft head, shouldn't take much effort. 

Yup and you have to be adamant that there not a doubt in your mind that they were going to kill you. 

[Zambroski]

2 minutes ago, ACE said:

Yup and you have to be adamant that there not a doubt in your mind that they were going to kill you. 

If you chose to "go legal" after your actions of defense (offender is dead), here's the only statement you give to LE; "I was in fear for my life and I want an attorney,"  That's it.  Nothing more.  Period.