Guest Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 55 minutes ago, Skidooski said: Trail riders never even think about track HP So nobody buys clutch kits for trail riding? News to me. That is exactly thinking about track hp. NSR kits also save you from wolves and polar bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 40 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Sometimes the desire for a gotcha or cunty post gets in the way of him actually reading the post.👊🏻😉😂 Sometimes? Lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 95 f3 still the highest hp consumer 600? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted December 25, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, HSR said: So nobody buys clutch kits for trail riding? News to me. That is exactly thinking about track hp. NSR kits also save you from wolves and polar bears. Yes we all run trail kits in our sleds at the track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted December 25, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, Rod said: 95 f3 still the highest hp consumer 600? Decades and they still can’t beat the old triple SMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Skidooski said: Yes we all run trail kits in our sleds at the track I guess you had to be there to get the joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 19 minutes ago, Rod said: 95 f3 still the highest hp consumer 600? Not on a track dyno that's for sure. That seems to be the new standard today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBEAR Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 hour ago, HSR said: Good point , Cat has proven to have some of the worst clutching in the industry so may be some gains to be made there. Maybe even control all 123 hp Bottom line,, Cat has proven they can't build competitive engines inhouse. Their 800 and now new 600 both came in under the industry standards. Poo made this much HP almost 20yrs ago. Anything less than high 120's is a flop.130 should have been the goal. So it failed being super light even with belt drive and now it's low on HP too. How Cat guys can spin this into a win is beyond me. It's not. Poo made this much power for all 1100 miles of it's lifespan or did it drop off towards the end ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, EBEAR said: Poo made this much power for all 1100 miles of it's lifespan or did it drop off towards the end ? The 600 ves was one of the most dependable sled engines ever built. Rock solid. Very similar hp to this new whiz bang cat too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_zrt Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 Why does anyone think a 600 will make any more power especially with emissions standards now in effect? There's only so much air it can push through, especially with a single pipe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, joe_zrt said: Why does anyone think a 600 will make any more power especially with emissions standards now in effect? There's only so much air it can push through, especially with a single pipe. 800's managed to just fine why can't a 6 make some gains too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_zrt Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 Not really, that's why they're all over 800cc's now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, joe_zrt said: Not really, that's why they're all over 800cc's now Poo 800 carb 135 hp Poo 800 cfi. 145 hp Poo 800 ho. 155 hp Poo 600 carb. 122hp Catalyst 600. 123 hp You do the math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 53 minutes ago, EBEAR said: Poo made this much power for all 1100 miles of it's lifespan or did it drop off towards the end ? Oh for fuck sake who is this pillow biting dumbass faggot? We have enough fucking known nothing snowriders here 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_zrt Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 Mine as well throw in a comparison for 440's from the 60's to now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayward Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 cant help but wonder if the cost of these sleds/engines now a days, if there isn't more of a conservative approach toward the engine side of it due to cutting back on warrenty claims? It sounds like Textron would be maybe hardpressed to survive a huge payout issue in the state they're currently in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 48 minutes ago, joe_zrt said: Why does anyone think a 600 will make any more power especially with emissions standards now in effect? There's only so much air it can push through, especially with a single pipe. TQ is maxxed out for the cc and pump gas, so the only way they really can get more hp out of a 600 is to rev it higher. But seems Like they don’t want to go over the 8000 range 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 The old school Arctic Cat would have put out a 600 turbo making more hp than the 650 does on 87oct if that's what it would have taken. Overweight and underpowered isn't going to be the life raft they needed,,,it's a boat anchor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_zrt Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 19 minutes ago, Rod said: TQ is maxxed out for the cc and pump gas, so the only way they really can get more hp out of a 600 is to rev it higher. But seems Like they don’t want to go over the 8000 range They need to start building good clutches again for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted December 25, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 25, 2023 2 hours ago, joe_zrt said: Why does anyone think a 600 will make any more power especially with emissions standards now in effect? There's only so much air it can push through, especially with a single pipe. The newer emission standards are killing 2 cycle across the board..That's an undeniable shitty fact.. Although lubricant technologies have advanced, it can not keep a 2 cycle reliable that lean on oil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 2 hours ago, joe_zrt said: Why does anyone think a 600 will make any more power especially with emissions standards now in effect? There's only so much air it can push through, especially with a single pipe. Because it has the same bottom end as the 858. 🥸 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 2 hours ago, HSR said: Poo 800 carb 135 hp Poo 800 cfi. 145 hp Poo 800 ho. 155 hp Poo 600 carb. 122hp Catalyst 600. 123 hp You do the math. My 2003 F7 made just over 140. The real speed for the new catalyst is in the chassis layout. In a year or two poo and doo will have copies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 5 hours ago, Rod said: People that have them Most stock modern 800s have trouble with the old F7 on the lake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_zrt Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, awful knawful said: Because it has the same bottom end as the 858. 🥸 They do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: Most stock modern 800s have trouble with the old F7 on the lake. Maybe in 2000’ plus. Any of the new 800s will lay a dirty gape on good running f7s for quite a ways out. Edited December 25, 2023 by f7ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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