Deephaven Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 6 hours ago, Snake said: Denying the facts is a poor defense. Trying to be as out of context as AC. For fucks sakes, pay attention. 4 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: precisely who deserved those unfunded Trump tax breaks you're a huge fan of? having a conversation with you at times is like negotiating with a toddler Toddlers are much more coherent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 I have listed the US Government revenue through the years. Show me where tax cuts ever effected in NEGATIVELY. You can't because the correlation doesn't exist. Tax cuts help the working class of this country while at the same time doesn't effect the US Revenue. The proof is in the numbers. Anyone that is saying otherwise is an advocate for more taxes and more government spending programs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plissken Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 2 hours ago, racer254 said: I have listed the US Government revenue through the years. Show me where tax cuts ever effected in NEGATIVELY. You can't because the correlation doesn't exist. Tax cuts help the working class of this country while at the same time doesn't effect the US Revenue. The proof is in the numbers. Anyone that is saying otherwise is an advocate for more taxes and more government spending programs Only you would would be dumb enough to think that stagnant gross YOY revenue proves that tax rates have no relation whatsoever to revenue. Ever heard of the Laffer curve? As evidenced by the fact that our revenue as a percentage of GDP fell from 26.8% to 24.3% for the first year of the Trump tax cuts, we are clearly on the left side of the peak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted May 18, 2023 Author Share Posted May 18, 2023 3 hours ago, racer254 said: I have listed the US Government revenue through the years. Show me where tax cuts ever effected in NEGATIVELY. You can't because the correlation doesn't exist. Tax cuts help the working class of this country while at the same time doesn't effect the US Revenue. The proof is in the numbers. Anyone that is saying otherwise is an advocate for more taxes and more government spending programs allow me to ask this... if spending is cut but the current tax rates don't change could you live with it? very simple question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: allow me to ask this... if spending is cut but the current tax rates don't change could you live with it? very simple question... Yes, that is why I keep saying to SIGN THE BILL that the republicans put on the table. Not one democrat will do what you just asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted May 19, 2023 Author Share Posted May 19, 2023 15 hours ago, racer254 said: Yes, that is why I keep saying to SIGN THE BILL that the republicans put on the table. Not one democrat will do what you just asked. there ya go... we can find a resolution but they cannot. and there's the f'ng problem. this is why I keep saying the republicans as a party need to focus on economic matters rather than all the other bullshit flying around out there daily. show the country you have a unified goal to reduce wasteful spending, point out the waste and how to pay the g'damn bills. stay laser focused and the majority of the american public might actually start taking them seriously. we spend far too much time in this country debating g'damn social issues but the bills keep coming in and the checkbook isn't being balanced. brand messaging is important and crucial and they've done an abysmal job of brand messaging over the past decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said: there ya go... we can find a resolution but they cannot. and there's the f'ng problem. this is why I keep saying the republicans as a party need to focus on economic matters rather than all the other bullshit flying around out there daily. show the country you have a unified goal to reduce wasteful spending, point out the waste and how to pay the g'damn bills. stay laser focused and the majority of the american public might actually start taking them seriously. we spend far too much time in this country debating g'damn social issues but the bills keep coming in and the checkbook isn't being balanced. brand messaging is important and crucial and they've done an abysmal job of brand messaging over the past decade. You based your last vote for SC on the abortion social issue. And now you want to focus on the bills? Seems a little hypocritical to me when it is what you and others in the public vote on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted May 19, 2023 Author Share Posted May 19, 2023 3 hours ago, racer254 said: You based your last vote for SC on the abortion social issue. And now you want to focus on the bills? Seems a little hypocritical to me when it is what you and others in the public vote on. stop crying about it, what's done is done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted May 19, 2023 Gold Member Share Posted May 19, 2023 4 hours ago, racer254 said: You based your last vote for SC on the abortion social issue. And now you want to focus on the bills? Seems a little hypocritical to me when it is what you and others in the public vote on. 1 minute ago, Crnr2Crnr said: stop crying about it, what's done is done you got Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted May 19, 2023 Author Share Posted May 19, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, EvilBird said: you got It's no secret, I voted for my wife and daughter. He doesn't like it. Tough titties. State supreme court doesn't write tax laws or bills, so it's an idiotic argument. Edited May 19, 2023 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 4 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: It's no secret, I voted for my wife and daughter. He doesn't like it. Tough titties. State supreme court doesn't write tax laws or bills, so it's an idiotic argument. Well, you sir are a hypocrite. Now we all know it's no secret karen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Perhaps you missed the whole thread. It was pointed out rather cleverly and clearly that you are the one living in the hypocrisy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1jkw Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 3 hours ago, racer254 said: Well, you sir are a hypocrite. Now we all know it's no secret karen. So the guy who said something like," don't worry about debt and deficit that isn't going to get paid back" is now worried about both isn't a hypocrite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 19 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: stop crying about it, what's done is done Thats hilarious, given the Democrats are still losing their shit over the Dobbs decision. You want to abort your baby in a state that has banned or limited the procedure, go another state and stfu. Most states still allow it, speaking of stop crying about it. On 5/17/2023 at 1:23 PM, Crnr2Crnr said: precisely who deserved those unfunded Trump tax breaks you're a huge fan of? having a conversation with you at times is like negotiating with a toddler Who thinks in those terms? Yet more evidence that you work in the public sector, and dependant on taxpayers for your salary. I was married to a teacher, you think just like she did. The middle class got a long overdue tax break, it stimulated the economy, and that is a fact. Government is too bag and taxes too much, that is also a fact. On 5/17/2023 at 1:53 PM, Steve753 said: That's because they are. The wealthy should pay the most tax. Not the middle class. They already do, and have for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted May 20, 2023 Author Share Posted May 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Who thinks in those terms? Yet more evidence that you work in the public sector, and dependant on taxpayers for your salary. I was married to a teacher, you think just like she did. The middle class got a long overdue tax break, it stimulated the economy, and that is a fact. Government is too bag and taxes too much, that is also a fact. did you by chance read the preceding nine pages? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plissken Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 On 5/19/2023 at 7:59 AM, racer254 said: You based your last vote for SC on the abortion social issue. And now you want to focus on the bills? Seems a little hypocritical to me when it is what you and others in the public vote on. The amount of abortions is inversely proportional to the number of children. More children leads to greater government spending, higher property taxes, etc. Ergo, you just owned yourself as a hypocrite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 7 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: did you by chance read the preceding nine pages? He's never shown he can comprehend anything he reads, not sure why you'd expect him to start now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 17 hours ago, Deephaven said: He's never shown he can comprehend anything he reads, not sure why you'd expect him to start now. Oh its pretty clear who can't read or understand anything. All you have is insults. I have opinions and at least give the basis for them. And I'm more than happy to return the insults, Dork Haven. Anyone who describes a tax cut as an Unfunded tax break immediately shows that they lean left and rely on government largesse (ie public sector), and it also convenient leaves out the stimulative effect of those tax cuts which resulted in almost 4 trillion (depending on which estimate you believe) repatriated from foreign countries back to our economy and MORE revenues to the iRS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted May 21, 2023 Author Share Posted May 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Oh its pretty clear who can't read or understand anything. All you have is insults. I have opinions and at least give the basis for them. And I'm more than happy to return the insults, Dork Haven. Anyone who describes a tax cut as an Unfunded tax break immediately shows that they lean left and rely on government largesse (ie public sector), and it also convenient leaves out the stimulative effect of those tax cuts which resulted in almost 4 trillion (depending on which estimate you believe) repatriated from foreign countries back to our economy and MORE revenues to the iRS. but moron has opinions... As of April 2023 it costs $460 billion to maintain the debt, which is 13% of the total federal spending. The national debt has increased every year over the past ten years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: but moron has opinions... As of April 2023 it costs $460 billion to maintain the debt, which is 13% of the total federal spending. The national debt has increased every year over the past ten years. Cut spending. Cut it hard. Why are we sending billions to foreign countries, and keeping NATO, UN, and all these other organizations afloat? We can post charts and varying metrics all day long. See if you can get your hands on JP Morgans quarterly "Guide to the Markets". Its full of them including above. Edited May 21, 2023 by DriftBusta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Crnr2Crnr Posted May 21, 2023 Author Share Posted May 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Cut spending. Cut it hard. Why are we sending billions to foreign countries, and keeping NATO, UN, and all these other organizations afloat? We can post charts and varying metrics all day long. See if you can get your hands on JP Morgans quarterly "Guide to the Markets". Its full of them including above. sure, cut spending... did you read the previous nine pages yet? how do you feel about increasing military spending? does a simple chart challenge your brain and opinions? both democrats and republicans have kicked the can down the road since the GW Bush administration... that's Bush2, Obama, Trump and Biden spending and neither party has addressed the debt. if you are unable to see that, I can't help you. by not paying our debt (as pointed out) 13% of each tax dollar you, I or anyone else pays to the federal government is interest. 13% feel free to post whatever JPM chart you like which shows how to at least reduce that % Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted May 21, 2023 Author Share Posted May 21, 2023 thinking further... we're paying a 13% tax on our taxes. how's that make everyone feel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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