Crnr2Crnr Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 42 minutes ago, BOHICA said: not subsidies!!!! 😂 These Favorable subsidies not available to anyone else! Found nowhere else in the tax codes https://www.investopedia.com/articles/07/oil-tax-break.asp shall we discuss EV subsidies? @Mainecat didn't want to in the other thread about diesel fuel this week? or, how about farm subsidies? we socialize way more shit than most people care to discuss but those getting the subsidies rarely chime in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mag6240 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 It doesn't matter what your choice of energy is, in today's world, NONE of them can exist without oil. PERIOD. Wind, solar, EV's, are all 100% dependent on oil to get those products to market. If you deny that, you are a fool. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, racer254 said: Let's Go Brandon Seen this sticker all over the place in the states, not just in the lower portion Edited November 4, 2022 by toslow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 minute ago, toslow said: Seen this sticker all over the place in the states, not just in the lower portion Hell yeah, it was always at all the pumps around by me. Some one was also going around removing them. It wasn't only the owners of the pumps either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepybrew Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 can't wait to see the new oil-less blacktop they come up with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted November 4, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, sleepybrew said: can't wait to see the new oil-less blacktop they come up with Google says approximately 7 gallons of oil to make a single tire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 32 minutes ago, Mag6240 said: It doesn't matter what your choice of energy is, in today's world, NONE of them can exist without oil. PERIOD. Wind, solar, EV's, are all 100% dependent on oil to get those products to market. If you deny that, you are a fool. I know somebody. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Mag6240 said: It doesn't matter what your choice of energy is, in today's world, NONE of them can exist without oil. PERIOD. Wind, solar, EV's, are all 100% dependent on oil to get those products to market. If you deny that, you are a fool. What really does suck about this is snowmobile clubs were struggling with diesel fuel prices last year grooming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mag6240 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Doug said: What really does suck about this is snowmobile clubs were struggling with diesel fuel prices last year grooming. Yeah, we addressed that in our first meeting this year - IF we get groomable snow, our budget needs to be ready for it. Last couple years have been pretty low hours in the groomer, so we do have some left over, but a good year and we will blow through that $$ pretty quickly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepybrew Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Steve753 said: Google says approximately 7 gallons of oil to make a single tire. well that means i sold 56 gallons already today 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, sleepybrew said: well that means i sold 56 gallons already today 112 for a set of @EvilBird's Donk tires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 how much oil in a snowmobile track? lot of plastic on a sled too... 😱 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepybrew Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 i wonder what size they base that on. 175/70/13 or lt275/70/18? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Skidooski said: But it should be involved in renewables? Nope, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: shall we discuss EV subsidies? @Mainecat didn't want to in the other thread about diesel fuel this week? or, how about farm subsidies? we socialize way more shit than most people care to discuss but those getting the subsidies rarely chime in. Cut’em all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Just now, Sleepr2 said: Cut’em all. we subsidize Wall Street as well, to the tune of trillions but... hey, invest all your money in a 401k or IRA and don't worry about your social security... we've got your back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: we subsidize Wall Street as well, to the tune of trillions but... hey, invest all your money in a 401k or IRA and don't worry about your social security... we've got your back! Cut that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepybrew Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 didn't they lay out money for charging stations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 11 hours ago, BOHICA said: How is it involved in renewables? The gov doesn’t build renewables. That is all private business that build them. New Federal Tax Credits under the Inflation Reduction Act Federal tax credit for EVs will remain at $7,500 Timeline to qualify is extended a decade from January 2023 to December 2032 Tax credit cap for automakers after they hit 200,000 EVs sold is eliminated, making GM, Tesla and Toyota once again eligible The language in the bill indicates that the tax credit could be implemented at the point of sale instead of on taxes at the end of the fiscal year That means you can get your credit up front at the dealer, but these terms may not kick in until 2024 In order to get the full credit, the EV must be assembled in North America and… The majority of battery components need to come from North America and… A certain percentage of “critical minerals” must come form North America or countries with free trade agreements with the US New federal tax credit of $4,000 for used EVs priced below $25k Subject to other requirements like lower annual income (see below) Revised credit applies to BEV cars with an MSRP below $55k Also includes zero-emission vans, SUVs, and trucks with MSRPs up to $80,000 New credit also expands to commercial fleet customers Includes separate qualifications and limits The federal EV tax credit will be available to individuals reporting adjusted gross incomes of $150,000 or less, or $300,000 for joint filers The new credit will also continue to apply to Plug-in Hybrid EVs (PHEVs) as long as they meet the same requirements outlined above and are equipped with a battery over 7 kWh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said: New Federal Tax Credits under the Inflation Reduction Act Federal tax credit for EVs will remain at $7,500 Timeline to qualify is extended a decade from January 2023 to December 2032 Tax credit cap for automakers after they hit 200,000 EVs sold is eliminated, making GM, Tesla and Toyota once again eligible The language in the bill indicates that the tax credit could be implemented at the point of sale instead of on taxes at the end of the fiscal year That means you can get your credit up front at the dealer, but these terms may not kick in until 2024 In order to get the full credit, the EV must be assembled in North America and… The majority of battery components need to come from North America and… A certain percentage of “critical minerals” must come form North America or countries with free trade agreements with the US New federal tax credit of $4,000 for used EVs priced below $25k Subject to other requirements like lower annual income (see below) Revised credit applies to BEV cars with an MSRP below $55k Also includes zero-emission vans, SUVs, and trucks with MSRPs up to $80,000 New credit also expands to commercial fleet customers Includes separate qualifications and limits The federal EV tax credit will be available to individuals reporting adjusted gross incomes of $150,000 or less, or $300,000 for joint filers The new credit will also continue to apply to Plug-in Hybrid EVs (PHEVs) as long as they meet the same requirements outlined above and are equipped with a battery over 7 kWh. And someone said that Elon bought Twitter with his own money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 5, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said: New Federal Tax Credits under the Inflation Reduction Act Federal tax credit for EVs will remain at $7,500 Timeline to qualify is extended a decade from January 2023 to December 2032 Tax credit cap for automakers after they hit 200,000 EVs sold is eliminated, making GM, Tesla and Toyota once again eligible The language in the bill indicates that the tax credit could be implemented at the point of sale instead of on taxes at the end of the fiscal year That means you can get your credit up front at the dealer, but these terms may not kick in until 2024 In order to get the full credit, the EV must be assembled in North America and… The majority of battery components need to come from North America and… A certain percentage of “critical minerals” must come form North America or countries with free trade agreements with the US New federal tax credit of $4,000 for used EVs priced below $25k Subject to other requirements like lower annual income (see below) Revised credit applies to BEV cars with an MSRP below $55k Also includes zero-emission vans, SUVs, and trucks with MSRPs up to $80,000 New credit also expands to commercial fleet customers Includes separate qualifications and limits The federal EV tax credit will be available to individuals reporting adjusted gross incomes of $150,000 or less, or $300,000 for joint filers The new credit will also continue to apply to Plug-in Hybrid EVs (PHEVs) as long as they meet the same requirements outlined above and are equipped with a battery over 7 kWh. I still believe the tax credit is non refundable like it always has so it’s just letting people and business keep more of their own money which I believe you agree with if I’m not mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 That would be nice if the fuel for grooming snowmobile trails lived off of the government's tit. But it doesn't. Probably a government supplement for the solar nut cases during the non daylights savings time of the year. Stops them from tapping into the neighbors outside outlets to plug into their EV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 5, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Doug said: That would be nice if the fuel for grooming snowmobile trails lived off of the government's tit. But it doesn't. Probably a government supplement for the solar nut cases during the non daylights savings time of the year. Stops them from tapping into the neighbors outside outlets to plug into their EV. Many snowmobile clubs are tax exempt…. Like churches and other freeloading corporations with tax exempt status and shit. Taking money in without having to pay tax is like the 53% of freeloading Americans that pay no tax. Out west it’s mostly the governments that do grooming through the use of tax dollars even from those that don’t use the trails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Many snowmobile clubs are tax exempt…. Like churches and other freeloading corporations with tax exempt status and shit. Taking money in without having to pay tax is like the 53% of freeloading Americans that pay no tax. Out west it’s mostly the governments that do grooming through the use of tax dollars even from those that don’t use the trails. Pay no taxes but receive no supplements. Grooming comes from snowmobile registration. Renewable supplements comes from tax payers. Do you even own a snowmobile or just troll a snowmobile site. In your case its option 2....Troll Edited November 5, 2022 by Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 5, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 5, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Doug said: Pay no taxes but receive no supplements. Grooming comes from snowmobile registration. Renewable supplements comes from tax payers. Do you even own a snowmobile or just troll a snowmobile site. In your case its option 2....Troll Bullshit. Clubs and groomers receive lots of legislative grants and funding from sources outside clubs. They get all this money tax free. Just like a church https://misorva.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/For-Release-September-24-2021-A-big-Win-for-Michigan-Trail-Groomers-2021_fin.pdf Edited November 5, 2022 by BOHICA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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