irv Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 Renewable energy has been a failure so far. https://www.thenews-messenger.com/story/opinion/2022/03/26/solar-wind-renewable-energy-has-been-failure/7138485001/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-25/wind-power-s-colossal-market-failure-threatens-climate-fight https://pipelineonline.ca/albertas-solar-and-wind-power-fleet-failure-in-summer/#/?playlistId=0&videoId=0 https://www.newsweek.com/wind-turbine-failures-europe-energy-crisis-warning-america-fossil-fuels-1643011 Solar and wind also pose problems for the environment. Wind especially, but also solar, require absurdly large tracts of land, disrupt animal habitats, kill hundreds of thousands of birds and bats, and despoil natural landscapes. Extraction of materials for these technologies has scarred lands around the world.Jan 12, 2022 https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/589235-a-wind-and-solar-electric-grid-thats-a-terrible-idea/#:~:text=Solar and wind also pose,scarred lands around the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 The difference between the Titanic and the state of California? the Titanic went down with it's lights still on. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 More oil company propaganda for the simple ones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted September 8, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 8, 2022 (edited) require absurdly large tracts of land, disrupt animal habitats, kill hundreds of thousands of birds and bats, and despoil natural landscapes Pump jacks and oil derricks are all sights of beauty. They really enhance the natural landscapes! Edited September 8, 2022 by Steve753 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted September 8, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted September 8, 2022 Look at all the wild life here roaming around in the natural habitat coexisting with oil field in the US! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 Let’s us all know when the solar panels spill and cause catastrophic environmental harm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA Contributing Member $poorsledder$ Posted September 8, 2022 USA Contributing Member Share Posted September 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Let’s us all know when the solar panels spill and cause catastrophic environmental harm. How are the solar panels at your place doing? Just say'n... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_phil Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 How about the fact that solar panels take more energy to produce than the amount of energy they can provide throughout their life cycle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airflite1 Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 52 minutes ago, BOHICA said: Look at all the wild life here roaming around in the natural habitat coexisting with oil field in the US! From what I've seen most oil fields are in remote locations and unless you go looking for them you won't really see them, large solar farms also seem like a waste but I do like the idea personal solar panels, I've had them on my fish house for a few years and now most of my friends have them, it's really nice not running the generator out on the ice. When home wind generators were becoming popular I looked hard at them, but to buy a good one plus the maintenance didn't make sense. The decision I'm debating is whether to have a battery storage or just sell the overage to the co-op and wait for battery technology to catch up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plissken Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 51 minutes ago, big_phil said: How about the fact that solar panels take more energy to produce than the amount of energy they can provide throughout their life cycle. Maxeon Solar Technologies, a major PV module producer based in Singapore, revealed the results of a third-party energy payback performance evaluation of its Maxeon 3 panels in its 2021 annual sustainability report. Energy payback is the period required for a renewable energy system to generate the same amount of energy that was used to produce the system itself. The assessment considers the cumulative energy demand over all the life cycle stages of solar panels and considers local grid efficiencies for different global locations. The test found that Maxeon 3 solar panels had an energy payback period ranging from 0.13 to 0.45 years for ground mounted module, and 0.27 to 0.92 years for a residential rooftop system. For ground mounted panels, the energy payback period can be as little as 47.5 days. Spread over the 40-year performance warranty on the panels, the energy output exceeds the input more than 100 times over its lifetime, marking a significant milestone for the sustainability of PV technology. https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2022/07/05/energy-output-is-over-100-times-the-input-needed-to-manufacture-solar-panels/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted September 8, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted September 8, 2022 53 minutes ago, big_phil said: How about the fact that solar panels take more energy to produce than the amount of energy they can provide throughout their life cycle. That was true a long time ago. Not the case today or remotely close to an accurate statement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 1 hour ago, big_phil said: How about the fact that solar panels take more energy to produce than the amount of energy they can provide throughout their life cycle. The system my parents installed in 1980 was like that, the systems my friends have installed have paid for themselves in less than 4 years and would be less than 6 without subsidy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 976 Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/wind-power-for-dummies_ian-woofenden/642809/item/9806767/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4se7t_iF-gIVEcCGCh19kgH8EAYYASABEgJ8IfD_BwE#idiq=9806767&edition=5909270 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 976 Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/alternative-energy-for-dummies_rik-degunther/411745/item/12076972/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4se7t_iF-gIVEcCGCh19kgH8EAYYCSABEgLjQ_D_BwE#idiq=12076972&edition=5771625 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 2 hours ago, BOHICA said: That was true a long time ago. Not the case today or remotely close to an accurate statement I can’t believe how misinformed people are about solar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 4 hours ago, Mainecat said: Let’s us all know when the solar panels spill and cause catastrophic environmental harm. I'm sure the manufacturing and disposal of solar panels has no negitive effects on the environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, spin_dry said: I can’t believe how misinformed people are about solar. I think a lot of that has to do with mistrust in anything the government tries to push Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted September 8, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted September 8, 2022 4 hours ago, Mainecat said: Let’s us all know when the solar panels spill and cause catastrophic environmental harm. 4 hours ago, $poorsledder$ said: How are the solar panels at your place doing? Just say'n... Another Mainecunt beatdown . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 5 hours ago, $poorsledder$ said: How are the solar panels at your place doing? Just say'n... How are yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 1 hour ago, EvilBird said: Another Mainecunt beatdown . How are your solar panels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 1 hour ago, SkisNH said: I'm sure the manufacturing and disposal of solar panels has no negitive effects on the environment. They are recycled. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mainecat said: They are recycled. What percent of solar panels are recycled? Only about 10% of panels in the US are recycled—it isn't mandated by federal regulations, and recycling the devices is currently much more expensive than just discarding them. But the materials in solar panels coming offline each year could be worth an estimated $2 billion by 2050.Aug 19, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/solar/new-startup-aims-to-recycle-95-of-high-value-content-from-solar-panels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted September 8, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted September 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Mainecat said: How are your solar panels? Im not the Democrat crying about Climate change and promoting Solar or Wind energy remember you dumb fuck hypocrite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 5 hours ago, Deephaven said: The system my parents installed in 1980 was like that, the systems my friends have installed have paid for themselves in less than 4 years and would be less than 6 without subsidy. Absolutely true. Problem is, most people don't have the land to install a PV array that could net them benefits like that. Solar array and wind tower owners are then the "big energy" companies. Forced on the masses. Problem is that the cost to the end user of energy nets zero financial benefit from wind and solar. Might as well buy your energy from "big oil" at a fraction of the cost. I'll probably go off grid in the next couple years. 20kw of solar and batteries, natural gas generator as backup. I can make it work. Only possible because I have 30 acres and a natural gas line to my home. Very few have that luxury....but fuck them that don't? I say no to "fuck the pleebs, let them pay more" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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