Momorider Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3974846/Stunning-new-data-indicates-El-Nino-drove-record-highs-global-temperatures-suggesting-rise-not-man-emissions.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Why do climate change deniers hail weather pattern changes as proof that the climate isn't changing when it is in their favor, but when climate change believers use weather patterns as proof deniers use the excuse, "You can't judge the climate off something as short term as a half a year..."? Anyone who thinks a month, a warm summer, a cold winter, a year, two years, etc are an indicator of climate is a fucking retard and shouldn't even be in this conversation... Cough cough Momo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 4 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Why do climate change deniers hail weather pattern changes as proof that the climate isn't changing when it is in their favor, but when climate change believers use weather patterns as proof deniers use the excuse, "You can't judge the climate off something as short term as a half a year..."? Anyone who thinks a month, a warm summer, a cold winter, a year, two years, etc are an indicator of climate is a fucking retard and shouldn't even be in this conversation... Cough cough Momo. Nobody denies climate change, since our planet has been under climate change for 4.5 billion years and will continue to do so. Do you think you can stop it? Why did they ever change from Global Warming to Climate Change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 People on both sides are goofy. october here was literally cloudy or raining for 30 days straight. It was very cold and ugly. however, because it was cloudy it didn't cool off much at night. The highs were unseasonably low but the lows were unseasonably high. This made october two degrees higher than average. Even though it was really cold. Yet rhetards scream global warming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I assume none of you guys live on or near the ocean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: Nobody denies climate change, since our planet has been under climate change for 4.5 billion years and will continue to do so. Do you think you can stop it? Why did they ever change from Global Warming to Climate Change. When oil in the Beaufort sea shows that there used to be huge coral reefs in the past as well as evidence of ice a mile thick Yah climate changes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Nobody denies climate change, since our planet has been under climate change for 4.5 billion years and will continue to do so. Do you think you can stop it? Why did they ever change from Global Warming to Climate Change. No, I don't think they can stop it nor do I think we should be investing billions to do so. I think we should be spending that money to take advantage of what the changing climate will bring. More rain in the midwest and a longer growing season. Less rain in the west and southwest. How do we produce crops that are better suited, handle weather changes, etc. I don't see how climate change can't have opportunities. There is always opportunity. As for the extent of human influence on that change, I don't know. I think there is some, but I don't subscribe to the doom and gloom side of it. I think most of it is a cycle caused by mother nature herself. Not saying I think we should polute away because there is effects on drinking water and air quality, but I do not think we should hamstring business and manufacturing because of global warming. The oceans aren't going to rise 100 feet and kill everyone either. I think that is foolish. If they do rise, humans will counter it as we always do with weather. Time to put aside the fear based politics of GW and start looking for solutions rather than knee jerk reactions that don't help anyone. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1R9sledder Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 4 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: No, I don't think they can stop it nor do I think we should be investing billions to do so. I think we should be spending that money to take advantage of what the changing climate will bring. More rain in the midwest and a longer growing season. Less rain in the west and southwest. How do we produce crops that are better suited, handle weather changes, etc. I don't see how climate change can't have opportunities. There is always opportunity. As for the extent of human influence on that change, I don't know. I think there is some, but I don't subscribe to the doom and gloom side of it. I think most of it is a cycle caused by mother nature herself. Not saying I think we should polute away because there is effects on drinking water and air quality, but I do not think we should hamstring business and manufacturing because of global warming. The oceans aren't going to rise 100 feet and kill everyone either. I think that is foolish. If they do rise, humans will counter it as we always do with weather. Time to put aside the fear based politics of GW and start looking for solutions rather than knee jerk reactions that don't help anyone. A sensible response, IMO the majority of sane thinking people agree with you. Last time I checked I was sane. I did go insane once though. At was the day I married my ex wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 30, 2016 Gold Member Share Posted November 30, 2016 Montasanto will and can gmo the shit out of food to adapt to climate changes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) 40 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Why do climate change deniers hail weather pattern changes as proof that the climate isn't changing when it is in their favor, but when climate change believers use weather patterns as proof deniers use the excuse, "You can't judge the climate off something as short term as a half a year..."? Anyone who thinks a month, a warm summer, a cold winter, a year, two years, etc are an indicator of climate is a fucking retard and shouldn't even be in this conversation... Cough cough Momo. Exactly. Climate change has always happened and always will. Cycles in weather could be measured in decades centuries etc. We have had an ice age and then a receding of the ice out of it. Man didn't cause the start or the end of those changes and we will never be able to influence climate as dramatically as some seem to think we can. Edited November 30, 2016 by 02sled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, 02sled said: Exactly. Climate change has always happened and always will. Cycles in weather could be measured in decades centuries etc. We have had an ice age and then a receding of the ice out of it. Man didn't cause the start or the end of those changes and we will never be able to influence climate as dramatically as some seem to think we can. No amount of legislation or taxes on the middle class can change this simple fact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 33 minutes ago, Mainecat said: I assume none of you guys live on or near the ocean? Slug can't live any further from the Ocean then where he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 1 minute ago, 1trailmaker said: Slug can't live any further from the Ocean then where he is Incorrect. I'm not very far from an ocean port Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 30, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Mainecat said: I assume none of you guys live on or near the ocean? Why has it flooded your house already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 30, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 30, 2016 1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said: Nobody denies climate change, since our planet has been under climate change for 4.5 billion years and will continue to do so. Do you think you can stop it? Why did they ever change from Global Warming to Climate Change. ^This^ There is also this little thing called the sun that has an impact that scientist seen to ignore a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1R9sledder Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 20 minutes ago, Highmark said: ^This^ There is also this little thing called the sun that has an impact that scientist seen to ignore a lot. What the hell is the sun? I haven't that thing all week. Another 6-12 inches tonight up north. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Sludgey said: Incorrect. I'm not very far from an ocean port oh really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 3 hours ago, 1trailmaker said: oh really https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Churchill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 5 hours ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: No, I don't think they can stop it nor do I think we should be investing billions to do so. I think we should be spending that money to take advantage of what the changing climate will bring. More rain in the midwest and a longer growing season. Less rain in the west and southwest. How do we produce crops that are better suited, handle weather changes, etc. I don't see how climate change can't have opportunities. There is always opportunity. As for the extent of human influence on that change, I don't know. I think there is some, but I don't subscribe to the doom and gloom side of it. I think most of it is a cycle caused by mother nature herself. Not saying I think we should polute away because there is effects on drinking water and air quality, but I do not think we should hamstring business and manufacturing because of global warming. The oceans aren't going to rise 100 feet and kill everyone either. I think that is foolish. If they do rise, humans will counter it as we always do with weather. Time to put aside the fear based politics of GW and start looking for solutions rather than knee jerk reactions that don't help anyone. This'll do for me! Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1trailmaker Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 3 hours ago, Momorider said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Churchill Hudson Bay okay lets go with that, what has he got water front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Does anyone on this site have a PHD? Anyone? Because evidently people who actually know shit believe the following. The survey found 97% agreed that global temperatures have increased during the past 100 years; 84% say they personally believe human-induced warming is occurring, and 74% agree that "currently available scientific evidence" substantiates its occurrence. Obviously these people can't compete with a bunch of fuck heads on a sledding site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 16 hours ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: No, I don't think they can stop it nor do I think we should be investing billions to do so. I think we should be spending that money to take advantage of what the changing climate will bring. More rain in the midwest and a longer growing season. Less rain in the west and southwest. How do we produce crops that are better suited, handle weather changes, etc. I don't see how climate change can't have opportunities. There is always opportunity. As for the extent of human influence on that change, I don't know. I think there is some, but I don't subscribe to the doom and gloom side of it. I think most of it is a cycle caused by mother nature herself. Not saying I think we should polute away because there is effects on drinking water and air quality, but I do not think we should hamstring business and manufacturing because of global warming. The oceans aren't going to rise 100 feet and kill everyone either. I think that is foolish. If they do rise, humans will counter it as we always do with weather. Time to put aside the fear based politics of GW and start looking for solutions rather than knee jerk reactions that don't help anyone. If? They are rising http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 2 hours ago, Mileage Psycho said: If? They are rising http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html They are either gonna rise or drop. People will complain regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 8 hours ago, revkevsdi said: Does anyone on this site have a PHD? Anyone? Because evidently people who actually know shit believe the following. The survey found 97% agreed that global temperatures have increased during the past 100 years; 84% say they personally believe human-induced warming is occurring, and 74% agree that "currently available scientific evidence" substantiates its occurrence. Obviously these people can't compete with a bunch of fuck heads on a sledding site. Who gives a shit. Titles do not mean anything. Hell I have a SIL with one in Science (so not a useless arts one) and guess what she is a joke. What have these people accomplished that we should listen to what they say? Their models haven't even been close to the predictions they have been making. The last mini ice age occurred a little over 500 years ago and temps tend to rise from that point on, just like history has taught us. Climate is gonna change, get used to it. ExtraLettuce was correct in his post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 8 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Who gives a shit. Titles do not mean anything. Hell I have a SIL with one in Science (so not a useless arts one) and guess what she is a joke. What have these people accomplished that we should listen to what they say? Their models haven't even been close to the predictions they have been making. The last mini ice age occurred a little over 500 years ago and temps tend to rise from that point on, just like history has taught us. Climate is gonna change, get used to it. ExtraLettuce was correct in his post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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