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[Cold War]

10 hours ago, ICEMAN! said:

Holy fuck.  Code words?  

Good luck America, you're fucked.

Um, this has been in play for the last eight years.

White Americans are adherent racist, but we don't want anyone to know. So we have all gotten together  and devised these "coded racism"  words to talk about Obama.

[Snoslinger]

this is the kind of shit my MIL falls for. now buss and highmark too  

[DriftBusta]

6 minutes ago, Snoslinger said:

this is the kind of shit my MIL falls for. now buss and highmark too  

you lost.

[Ez ryder]

21 hours ago, Snoslinger said:

the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.....

The son of retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, President-elect pick for national security adviser, on Sunday appeared to spread a conspiracy theory that Hillary Clinton and her campaign chief ran a child-sex ring in a back room of a D.C. pizza shop.

Michael Flynn Jr. on Sunday tweeted about the false story after an armed man entered Comet Ping Pong in Northwest D.C. and claimed to be investigating the story.

“Until #Pizzagate proven to be false, it'll remain a story," Flynn Jr. tweeted on Sunday.

"The left seems to forget #PodestaEmails and the many ‘coincidences’ tied to it,” he added, referring to Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta. Internal campaign emails allegedly from Podesta's account were published in batches by WikiLeaks in the weeks leading up to Election Day. 

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/308723-flynns-son-spreads-conspiracy-theory-about-dc-pizza-shop

 

why did we not talk about actual things said and written by people put in to positions of power around P B O . oh hell no we keep them as hush hush as poss then they get jobs at CNN when they get out. now we talk about things that may or may not have been said buy friends and family as relevant . but again Radicals and known terrorists were off limits.    

[ICEMAN!]

1 hour ago, DriftBusta said:

you lost.

You've all lost your goddam minds

#pizzagate

[Sleepr2]

5 minutes ago, ICEMAN! said:

You've all lost your goddam minds

#pizzagate

Madam President

[Highmark]

This is why its suspicious.  Bill Clinton hid from Secret Service to fly on a know Pedophiles plane.  This is not hearsay, not rumors its FACT.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html

 

Flight logs show Bill Clinton flew on sex offender's jet much more than previously known

 

Former President Bill Clinton was a much more frequent flyer on a registered sex offender’s infamous jet than previously reported, with flight logs showing the former president taking at least 26 trips aboard the “Lolita Express” -- even apparently ditching his Secret Service detail for at least five of the flights, according to records obtained by FoxNews.com.

Clinton’s presence aboard Jeffrey Epstein’s Boeing 727 on 11 occasions has been reported, but flight logs show the number is more than double that, and trips between 2001 and 2003 included extended junkets around the world with Epstein and fellow passengers identified on manifests by their initials or first names, including “Tatiana.” The tricked-out jet earned its Nabakov-inspired nickname because it was reportedly outfitted with a bed where passengers had group sex with young girls.

“Bill Clinton … associated with a man like Jeffrey Epstein, who everyone in New York, certainly within his inner circles, knew was a pedophile,” said Conchita Sarnoff, of the Washington, D.C. based non-profit Alliance to Rescue Victims of Trafficking, and author of a book on the Epstein case called "TrafficKing." “Why would a former president associate with a man like that?”

Epstein, who counts among his pals royal figures, heads of state, celebrities and fellow billionaires, spent 13 months in prison and home detention for solicitation and procurement of minors for prostitution. He allegedly had a team of traffickers who procured girls as young as 12 to service his friends on “Orgy Island,” an estate on Epstein's 72-acre island, called Little St. James, in the U.S. Virgin Islands.

Virginia Roberts, 32, who claims she was pimped out by Epstein at age 15, has previously claimed she saw Clinton at Epstein’s getaway in 2002, but logs do not show Clinton aboard any flights to St. Thomas, the nearest airport capable of accommodating Epstein's plane. They do show Clinton flying aboard Epstein’s plane to such destinations as Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore, China, Brunei, London, New York, the Azores, Belgium, Norway, Russia and Africa.

Among those regularly traveling with Clinton were Epstein’s associates, New York socialite Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein’s assistant, Sarah Kellen, both of whom were investigated by the FBI and Palm Beach Police for recruiting girls for Epstein and his friends.

Official flight logs filed with the Federal Aviation Administration show Clinton traveled on some of the trips with as many as 10 U.S. Secret Service agents. However, on a five-leg Asia trip between May 22 and May 25, 2002, not a single Secret Service agent is listed. The U.S. Secret Service has declined to answer multiple Freedom of Information Act requests filed by FoxNews.com seeking information on these trips. Clinton would have been required to file a form to dismiss the agent detail, a former Secret Service agent told FoxNews.com.

In response to a separate FOIA request from FoxNews.com, the U.S. Secret Service said it has no records showing agents were ever on the island with Clinton.

A Clinton spokesperson did not return emails requesting comment about the former president’s relationship and travels with Epstein. The Clinton Library said it had no relevant information and does not keep track of Clinton’s travel records.

Martin Weinberg, Epstein’s current attorney, did not respond to multiple inquiries. Epstein said in a court filing said that he and his associates “have been the subject of the most outlandish and offensive attacks, allegations, and plain inventions.”

However, hundreds of pages of court records, including reports from police and FBI agents, reviewed by FoxNews.com, show Epstein was under law enforcement scrutiny for more than a year.

Police in Palm Beach, Fla., launched a year-long investigation in 2005 into Epstein after parents of a 14-year-old girl said their daughter was sexually abused by him. Police interviewed dozens of witnesses, confiscated his trash, performed surveillance and searched his Palm Beach mansion, ultimately identifying 20 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 who they said were sexually abused by Epstein.

In 2006, at the request of Palm Beach Police, the FBI launched a federal probe into allegations that Epstein and his personal assistants had “used facilities of interstate commerce to induce girls between the ages of 14 and 17 to engage in illegal sexual activities.”

According to court documents, police investigators found a “clear indication that Epstein’s staff was frequently working to schedule multiple young girls between the ages of 12 and 16 years old literally every day, often two or three times per day.”

One victim, in sworn deposition testimony, said Epstein began sexually assaulting her when she was 13 years old and molested her on more than 50 occasions over the next three years. The girls testified they were lured to Epstein’s home after being promised hundreds of dollars to be his model or masseuse, but when they arrived, he ordered them to take off their clothes and massage his naked body while he masturbated and used sex toys on them.

The U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida prepared charging documents that accused Epstein of child sex abuse, witness tampering and money laundering, but Epstein took a plea deal before an indictment could be handed up.

On Sept. 24, 2007, in a deal shrouded in secrecy that left alleged victims shocked at its leniency, Epstein agreed to a 30-month sentence, including 18 months of jail time and 12 months of house arrest and the agreement to pay dozens of young girls under a federal statute providing for compensation to victims of child sexual abuse.

In exchange, the U.S. Attorney’s Office promised not to pursue any federal charges against Epstein or his co-conspirators.

Florida attorney Brad Edwards, who represented some of Epstein’s alleged victims, is suing the federal government over the secret non-prosecution agreement in hopes of having it overturned. Edwards claimed in court records that the government and Epstein concealed the deal from the victims “to prevent them from voicing any objection, and to avoid the firestorm of controversy that would have arisen if it had become known that the Government was immunizing a politically-connected billionaire and all of his co-conspirators from prosecution of hundreds of federal sex crimes against minor girls.”

The U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida did not respond to a request for comment about the deal.

Other politicians, celebrities and businessmen, including presidential candidate Donald Trump, have been accused of fraternizing with Epstein. Trump lawyer Alan Garten told FoxNews.com in a statement Trump and Epstein are not pals.

“There was no relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump,” he said. “They were not friends and they did not socialize together.

Edited December 6, 2016 by Highmark

[T1R9sledder]

11 hours ago, SSFB said:

And as expected the link includes a video of a guy who is one degree of separation away from Alex Jones.

Pretty strange how the Alex Jones crowd has become a voice of truth for people here.

Anything from Alex Jones is usually met with skepticism.

[SSFB]

9 minutes ago, T1R9sledder said:

Anything from Alex Jones is usually met with skepticism.

Several people have been posting videos from him and his surrogates over the last 6 months.

[ICEMAN!]

People can actually find Jesus on burnt toast if they try hard enough.

[bussman]

7 hours ago, Highmark said:

This is why its suspicious.  Bill Clinton hid from Secret Service to fly on a know Pedophiles plane.  This is not hearsay, not rumors its FACT.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html

 

Flight logs show Bill Clinton flew on sex offender's jet much more than previously known

 

Former President Bill Clinton was a much more frequent flyer on a registered sex offender’s infamous jet than previously reported, with flight logs showing the former president taking at least 26 trips aboard the “Lolita Express” -- even apparently ditching his Secret Service detail for at least five of the flights, according to records obtained by FoxNews.com.

Clinton’s presence aboard Jeffrey Epstein’s Boeing 727 on 11 occasions has been reported, but flight logs show the number is more than double that, and trips between 2001 and 2003 included extended junkets around the world with Epstein and fellow passengers identified on manifests by their initials or first names, including “Tatiana.” The tricked-out jet earned its Nabakov-inspired nickname because it was reportedly outfitted with a bed where passengers had group sex with young girls.

“Bill Clinton … associated with a man like Jeffrey Epstein, who everyone in New York, certainly within his inner circles, knew was a pedophile,” said Conchita Sarnoff, of the Washington, D.C. based non-profit Alliance to Rescue Victims of Trafficking, and author of a book on the Epstein case called "TrafficKing." “Why would a former president associate with a man like that?”

Epstein, who counts among his pals royal figures, heads of state, celebrities and fellow billionaires, spent 13 months in prison and home detention for solicitation and procurement of minors for prostitution. He allegedly had a team of traffickers who procured girls as young as 12 to service his friends on “Orgy Island,” an estate on Epstein's 72-acre island, called Little St. James, in the U.S. Virgin Islands.

Virginia Roberts, 32, who claims she was pimped out by Epstein at age 15, has previously claimed she saw Clinton at Epstein’s getaway in 2002, but logs do not show Clinton aboard any flights to St. Thomas, the nearest airport capable of accommodating Epstein's plane. They do show Clinton flying aboard Epstein’s plane to such destinations as Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore, China, Brunei, London, New York, the Azores, Belgium, Norway, Russia and Africa.

Among those regularly traveling with Clinton were Epstein’s associates, New York socialite Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein’s assistant, Sarah Kellen, both of whom were investigated by the FBI and Palm Beach Police for recruiting girls for Epstein and his friends.

Official flight logs filed with the Federal Aviation Administration show Clinton traveled on some of the trips with as many as 10 U.S. Secret Service agents. However, on a five-leg Asia trip between May 22 and May 25, 2002, not a single Secret Service agent is listed. The U.S. Secret Service has declined to answer multiple Freedom of Information Act requests filed by FoxNews.com seeking information on these trips. Clinton would have been required to file a form to dismiss the agent detail, a former Secret Service agent told FoxNews.com.

In response to a separate FOIA request from FoxNews.com, the U.S. Secret Service said it has no records showing agents were ever on the island with Clinton.

A Clinton spokesperson did not return emails requesting comment about the former president’s relationship and travels with Epstein. The Clinton Library said it had no relevant information and does not keep track of Clinton’s travel records.

Martin Weinberg, Epstein’s current attorney, did not respond to multiple inquiries. Epstein said in a court filing said that he and his associates “have been the subject of the most outlandish and offensive attacks, allegations, and plain inventions.”

However, hundreds of pages of court records, including reports from police and FBI agents, reviewed by FoxNews.com, show Epstein was under law enforcement scrutiny for more than a year.

Police in Palm Beach, Fla., launched a year-long investigation in 2005 into Epstein after parents of a 14-year-old girl said their daughter was sexually abused by him. Police interviewed dozens of witnesses, confiscated his trash, performed surveillance and searched his Palm Beach mansion, ultimately identifying 20 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 who they said were sexually abused by Epstein.

In 2006, at the request of Palm Beach Police, the FBI launched a federal probe into allegations that Epstein and his personal assistants had “used facilities of interstate commerce to induce girls between the ages of 14 and 17 to engage in illegal sexual activities.”

According to court documents, police investigators found a “clear indication that Epstein’s staff was frequently working to schedule multiple young girls between the ages of 12 and 16 years old literally every day, often two or three times per day.”

One victim, in sworn deposition testimony, said Epstein began sexually assaulting her when she was 13 years old and molested her on more than 50 occasions over the next three years. The girls testified they were lured to Epstein’s home after being promised hundreds of dollars to be his model or masseuse, but when they arrived, he ordered them to take off their clothes and massage his naked body while he masturbated and used sex toys on them.

The U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida prepared charging documents that accused Epstein of child sex abuse, witness tampering and money laundering, but Epstein took a plea deal before an indictment could be handed up.

On Sept. 24, 2007, in a deal shrouded in secrecy that left alleged victims shocked at its leniency, Epstein agreed to a 30-month sentence, including 18 months of jail time and 12 months of house arrest and the agreement to pay dozens of young girls under a federal statute providing for compensation to victims of child sexual abuse.

In exchange, the U.S. Attorney’s Office promised not to pursue any federal charges against Epstein or his co-conspirators.

Florida attorney Brad Edwards, who represented some of Epstein’s alleged victims, is suing the federal government over the secret non-prosecution agreement in hopes of having it overturned. Edwards claimed in court records that the government and Epstein concealed the deal from the victims “to prevent them from voicing any objection, and to avoid the firestorm of controversy that would have arisen if it had become known that the Government was immunizing a politically-connected billionaire and all of his co-conspirators from prosecution of hundreds of federal sex crimes against minor girls.”

The U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida did not respond to a request for comment about the deal.

Other politicians, celebrities and businessmen, including presidential candidate Donald Trump, have been accused of fraternizing with Epstein. Trump lawyer Alan Garten told FoxNews.com in a statement Trump and Epstein are not pals.

“There was no relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump,” he said. “They were not friends and they did not socialize together.

But Alex Jones  

[SSFB]

10 minutes ago, bussman said:

But Alex Jones  

But that story didn't come from Alex Jones. If you have legitimate sources, then post them when you're making an argument.

But don't think we're supposed to believe it when it comes from the guy who's a certifiable crackpot. 

[Dave]

6 hours ago, ICEMAN! said:

People can actually find Jesus on burnt toast if they try hard enough.

One thing you cant find is your boy trudeau doing or saying anything intelligent.

[bussman]

20 minutes ago, SSFB said:

But that story didn't come from Alex Jones. If you have legitimate sources, then post them when you're making an argument.

But don't think we're supposed to believe it when it comes from the guy who's a certifiable crackpot. 

Like Wikileaks? 

Epstien getting busted?

Verified trips the Clinton's took to that pedophile island? 

 

 

[SSFB]

Just now, bussman said:

Like Wikileaks? 

Epstien getting busted?

Verified trips the Clinton's took to that pedophile island? 

 

 

I never took issue with anything about Wikileaks or Epstein getting busted, just the grand leaps of logic made from supposed code words when there wasn't even a verifiable source. 

[Snoslinger]

and buss triples down

[bussman]

1 minute ago, SSFB said:

I never took issue with anything about Wikileaks or Epstein getting busted, just the grand leaps of logic made from supposed code words when there wasn't even a verifiable source. 

I'm not commenting on other people's theories. 

 

That said, it doesn't mean the kooks can't be right sometimes. We will see I guess. 

[SSFB]

Just now, bussman said:

I'm not commenting on other people's theories. 

 

That said, it doesn't mean the kooks can't be right sometimes. We will see I guess. 

The conspiracy nutjobs have been talking about a supposed pedophile ring controlled by the "world elite" for decades so it's really no surprise that they keep finding "evidence" of it everywhere they look. When your mind is already made up it's pretty easy to find evidence for anything.

 

Just one example, from 1994.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59348/pg1

Quote

posted on Jun, 16 2004 @ 03:23 AM

"This was the biggest scandal in the history of the U.S.A history. The story received some newspaper coverage but there was a TV News Media blackout on the subject. For this reason, most Americans have never heard of it. 

Former republican Senator John Decamp was involved in the production a documentary called "Conspiracy of Silence" it was to air May 3, 1994 on the Discovery Channel. This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies. At the last minute before airing, unknown congressmen threatened the TV Cable industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired. 

Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased by unknown persons who had ordered all copies destroyed. A copy of this videotape was furnished anonymously to former Nebraska state senator and attorney John De Camp who made it available to retired F.B.I. chief, Ted L. Gunderson. While the video quality is not top grade, this tape is a blockbuster in what is revealed by the participants involved. You can purchase a VHS copy at this link. Or you can view an online copy at this page. Franklin Cover up video page 

Boy prostitutes 15 years old (and younger) were taking midnight tours of the Whitehouse. There are 19 more Washington Times articles in full text about this case available here at this link. 
Newspaper scans or text are not for commercial use. Solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion." 

 

[f7ben]

26 times Clinton flew aboard a plane owned and operated by a sex addict pedophile who operated and underage sex ring on a remote island....

 

Nah , nothing to see there

[motonoggin]

Some of the most powerful people in the world are always talking about pizza.

Like, I love pizza, but I don't email people about it. 

These fuckers are like pizza fanatics. 

Gotta admit it's weird.

[bussman]

23 minutes ago, f7ben said:

26 times Clinton flew aboard a plane owned and operated by a sex addict pedophile who operated and underage sex ring on a remote island....

 

Nah , nothing to see there

Ironically Joel says "when your mind is already made up".  

[bussman]

Joel, seriously. If you want to look into fully and form your own opinion like I did please do. 

 

I used to say the same thing you do now. I actually had to stop at a certain point it was so disgusting. Not even touched on by anybody but my own observation is the striking similarities to Rome, especially the fall of it. 

[Zambroski]

21 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

Some of the most powerful people in the world are always talking about pizza.

Like, I love pizza, but I don't email people about it. 

These fuckers are like pizza fanatics. 

Gotta admit it's weird.

Good point.  I don't know...but there is something a bit "off" with all of it.  Not sure I'm ready to buy in 100% but still......

[bussman]

23 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

Some of the most powerful people in the world are always talking about pizza.

Like, I love pizza, but I don't email people about it. 

These fuckers are like pizza fanatics. 

Gotta admit it's weird.

Just reading the leaked emails is creepy in itself. That's mostly what I got in to. 

 

Some of the Germany stuff being leaked now about Merkel and how German intelligence and the NSA conspired is just validating so much of what I (and many others) suspected. Not to go too far off subject. 

[f7ben]

3 minutes ago, bussman said:

Just reading the leaked emails is creepy in itself. That's mostly what I got in to. 

 

Some of the Germany stuff being leaked now about Merkel and how German intelligence and the NSA conspired is just validating so much of what I (and many others) suspected. Not to go too far off subject. 

f7ben was right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111