Almost a third of Americans still believe the 2020 election result was fraudulent

[SnowRider]

30 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said:

She was in the leaving administration.  Never the less how does that excuse her behavior? She was trying to frame a sitting president for treason! Remind me again what are the punishments for that crime?

 

28 minutes ago, DriftBusta said:

That should be treason itself to make such a charge, look at the damage and division it caused.  Yet half the country, still buys into all these sham indictments.  How many times do you have to be lied to before the light bulb goes on?

Two morons peddling lies, disproven conspiracies while defending one who’s actually been indicted.  No concept of reality from you two morons  

 

[Carlos Danger]

17 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

 

Two morons peddling lies, disproven conspiracies while defending one who’s actually been indicted.  No concept of reality from you two morons  

 

Hold on are you telling me that Hillary had nothing to do with the Steele dossier or the Russian bank records hoax?

[revkevsdi]

On 8/15/2023 at 2:54 PM, Highmark said:

In 2 of the cases everything lies on whether or not Trump actually believed that the irregularities that happened during the election led to fraudulent results.  Legal scholars have agreed on this.   

1/3rd of American's still feel this today.  Prosecutors will have to prove Trump did not believe election interference occurred.   This is tough enough considering the number of lawsuits his team filed during that time period.   

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/almost-third-americans-still-believe-2020-election-result-was-fraudule-rcna90145

Hard to believe this is true considering all the lies the Republicans have spewed for years. 
 

“We need guns so we can defend against a tyrannical government”. Then when they are sure the election was stolen they sat with their thumbs up their butts.  I think they knew Trump was lying but their desire to “own the libs” overpowered any patriotism they pretended to have. 

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[SSFB]

Thread title should be:

”Almost a third of Americans have TDS.”

Because the people who believe the mountain of bullshit are those with the derangement. 

[EvilBird]

32 minutes ago, SSFB said:

Thread title should be:

”Almost a third of Americans have TDS.”

Because the people who believe the mountain of bullshit are those with the derangement. 

Trumpers have a ways to go 

[SSFB]

4 minutes ago, EvilBird said:

Trumpers have a ways to go 

Well, some of those are real and some were bullshit that only clowns would believe or get distracted by. 

Do you have a jpeg where the red hats cross off 70+ court cases?

 

[EvilBird]

1 minute ago, SSFB said:

Do you have a jpeg where the red hats cross off 70+ court cases?

 

no but you prob do 

 

[Highmark]

13 hours ago, revkevsdi said:

Hard to believe this is true considering all the lies the Republicans have spewed for years. 
 

“We need guns so we can defend against a tyrannical government”. Then when they are sure the election was stolen they sat with their thumbs up their butts.  I think they knew Trump was lying but their desire to “own the libs” overpowered any patriotism they pretended to have. 

You mean like Styrofoam is bad for the environment? 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Highmark said:

You mean like Styrofoam is bad for the environment? 

That info NEVER should have seen the light of day on FS. 

[Roosting]

18 hours ago, HSR said:

But she wasn't the leaving president so it really doesn't matter what she did. Every losing candidate goes on a sobbing spree, she just took it to another level but in the grand scheme of things meant less than zero.

Trump was President and set a dangerous precedent. This will effect the grand scheme of things.

obama already knew she was going to do the dossier as he and biden were briefed on it. Yet he kept his mouth shut for the entire time knowing full well it was all bs set up by hillary.

Sounds like a conspiracy to me.

[Highmark]

1 hour ago, HSR said:

That info NEVER should have seen the light of day on FS. 

Can't say for sure but I thought it came from him.   If I'm wrong then you are correct it shouldn't have no matter how hypocritical he was being. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Highmark said:

Can't say for sure but I thought it came from him.   If I'm wrong then you are correct it shouldn't have no matter how hypocritical he was being. 

No it was brought to the forum by a couple of members that very wrongly researched his family business and his FB page and brought info from both to the forums. I'd like to see that stuff left off the forums 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Roosting said:

obama already knew she was going to do the dossier as he and biden were briefed on it. Yet he kept his mouth shut for the entire time knowing full well it was all bs set up by hillary.

Sounds like a conspiracy to me.

She was never the President so who cares what she did after losing other than her supporters  

[Highmark]

5 minutes ago, HSR said:

No it was brought to the forum by a couple of members that very wrongly researched his family business and his FB page and brought info from both to the forums. I'd like to see that stuff left off the forums 

Agreed.  

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Highmark said:

Agreed.  

[Highmark]

10 minutes ago, HSR said:

She was never the President so who cares what she did after losing other than her supporters  

What does it make a difference whether they were President or not when it comes to speech?  Do Presidents not have the same rights as everyone else?  Trump never forced or threatened anything.  He never gave any quid pro quo to anyone.  If that evidence was out there it would have been released long ago. 

He has every right as any other American to voice his opinion about election results...even when he is still President.  The founding fathers as part of the electoral college system put a mechanism in place where if fraud, corruption or any number of reasons electors could choose someone else.  Some states have in place that electors can be replaced if they won't vote based off the popular vote but it doesn't mean they have to. 

There needs a mechanism in place to not seat an elected President given certain circumstances and fear or evidence of voter fraud or tampering is one of them.      

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[Bontz]

For someone who has so much negative to say about the US, they sure are invested in threads like these.  Very odd

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Trump never forced or threatened anything. 

Did he not threaten to not accept the election results and allow the peaceful transfer of power? What evidence of election fraud did he have at that point other than himself ordering an AG to "find" 11,000+ votes for him?

[Roosting]

39 minutes ago, HSR said:

She was never the President so who cares what she did after losing other than her supporters  

so above the law. Got it

[Highmark]

9 minutes ago, HSR said:

Did he not threaten to not accept the election results and allow the peaceful transfer of power? What evidence of election fraud did he have at that point other than himself ordering an AG to "find" 11,000+ votes for him?

Is that illegal?   Please present the law?   I didn't know there was a charge in any of the cases saying he didn't accept the results.    

"Ordering."   First I'm pretty sure it was the Georgia SoS.   Can you show where he stated to find votes illegally or was it part of the re-count?

Text from that call..

We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County you’ll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures of people who have been forged.

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[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Is that illegal?   Please present the law?   I didn't know there was a charge in any of the cases saying he didn't accept the results.    

"Ordering."    Can you show where he stated to find votes illegally or was it part of the re-count?

When the President tells you to do something, that would be considered an order yes.

Illegal?No. The action of a petulant child that acted on claims he hasn't proven yet?Yes. A very poor role model? Yes. A poor example of how an outgoing President should act?Yes. The first President to act like he did. Yes. Legal does not equal proper.

 

 He acted just like a millennial that didn't get what he felt he deserved. Cried foul. Exactly what is destroying society today. 

 

[Highmark]

17 minutes ago, HSR said:

When the President tells you to do something, that would be considered an order yes.

Illegal?No. The action of a petulant child that acted on claims he hasn't proven yet?Yes. A very poor role model? Yes. A poor example of how an outgoing President should act?Yes. The first President to act like he did. Yes.

 

 He acted just like a millennial that didn't get what he felt he deserved. Cried foul. Exactly what is destroying society today. 

 

Text from that infamous call.  Nothing he says is finding illegal votes.   Its finding discrepencies in the votes cast that would but them over that 11,xxx lead Biden had.  He mentions a bunch of ways of finding legal ballots that may not have been counted.   He doesn't even hint a producing illegal ones. 

Highlight where he asked for something illegal. 

Trump: OK, thank you very much. Hello Brad and Ryan and everybody. We appreciate the time and the call. So we’ve spent a lot of time on this and if we could just go over some of the numbers, I think it’s pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia. You even see it by rally size, frankly. We’d be getting 25-30,000 people a rally and the competition would get less than 100 people. And it never made sense.

But we have a number of things. We have at least 2 or 3 — anywhere from 250-300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls. Much of that had to do with Fulton County, which hasn’t been checked. We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County you’ll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures of people who have been forged. And we are quite sure that’s going to happen.

Another tremendous number. We’re going to have an accurate number over the next two days with certified accountants. But an accurate number but its in the 50s of thousands— and that’s people that went to vote and they were told they can’t vote because they’ve already been voted for. And it’s a very sad thing. They walked out complaining. But the number’s large. We’ll have it for you. But it’s much more than the number of 11,779 that’s — The current margin is only 11,779. Brad, I think you agree with that, right? That’s something I think everyone — at least that’s’ a number that everyone agrees on.

But that’s the difference in the votes. But we’ve had hundreds of thousands of ballots that we’re able to actually — we’ll get you a pretty accurate number. You don’t need much of a number because the number that in theory I lost by, the margin would be 11,779. But you also have a substantial numbers of people, thousands and thousands who went to the voting place on November 3, were told they couldn’t vote, were told they couldn’t vote because a ballot had been put on their name. And you know that’s very, very, very, very sad.

We had, I believe it’s about 4,502 voters who voted but who weren’t on the voter registration list, so it’s 4,502 who voted but they weren’t on the voter registration roll which they had to be. You had 18,325 vacant address voters. The address was vacant and they’re not allowed to be counted. That’s 18,325.

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Smaller number — you had 904 who only voted where they had just a P.O. — a post office box number — and they had a post office box number and that’s not allowed. We had at least 18,000 — that’s on tape we had them counted very painstakingly — 18,000 voters having to do with [name]. She’s a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler [name]. That was the tape that’s been shown all over the world that makes everybody look bad, you me and everybody else.

Where they got — number one they said very clearly and it’s been reported they said there was a major water main break. Everybody fled the area. And then they came back, [name] and her daughter and a few people. There were no Republican poll watchers. Actually, there were no Democrat poll watchers, I guess they were them. But there were no Democrats, either and there was no law enforcement. Late in the morning, they went early in the morning they went to the table with the black robe, the black shield and they pulled out the votes. Those votes were put there a number of hours before the table was put there. I think it was, Brad you would know, it was probably eight hours or seven hours before and then it was stuffed with votes.

They weren’t in an official voter box, but they were in what looked to be suitcases or trunks, suitcases but they weren’t in voter boxes. The minimum number it could be because we watched it and they watched it certified in slow motion instant replay if you can believe it but slow motion and it was magnified many times over and the minimum it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden.

You had out-of-state voters. They voted in Georgia but they were from out of state, of 4,925. You had absentee ballots sent to vacant, they were absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses. They had nothing on them about addresses, that’s 2,326.

And you had drop boxes, which is very bad. You had drop boxes that were picked up. We have photographs and we have affidavits from many people.

I don’t know if you saw the hearings, but you have drop boxes where the box was picked up but not delivered for three days. So all sorts of things could have happened to that box including, you know, putting in the votes that you wanted. So there were many infractions and the bottom line is, many, many times the 11,779 margin that they said we lost by — we had vast I mean the state is in turmoil over this.

And I know you would like to get to the bottom of it, although I saw you on television today and you said that you found nothing wrong. I mean, you know, And I didn’t lose the state, Brad. People have been saying that it was the highest vote ever. There was no way. A lot of the political people said that there’s no way they beat me. And they beat me. They beat me in the … As you know, every single state … we won every state. we one every statehouse in the country. We held the Senate which is shocking to people, although we’ll see what happens tomorrow or in a few days.

And we won the House, but we won every single statehouse and we won Congress, which was supposed to lose 15 seats, and they gained, I think 16 or 17 or something. I think there’s a now difference of five. There was supposed to be a difference substantially more. But politicians in every state, but politicians in Georgia have given affidavits or are going to that, that there was no way that they beat me in the election that the people came out, in fact, they were expecting to lose and then they ended up winning by a lot because of the coattails. And they said there’s no way that they’ve done many polls prior to the election. There was no way that they won.

Ballots were dropped in massive numbers. And we’re trying to get to those numbers and we will have them.

They’ll take a period of time. Certified. But but they’re massive numbers. And far greater than the 11,779.

The other thing, dead people. So dead people voted and I think the number is close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries. They went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number and a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters.

The bottom line is when you add it all up and then you start adding, you know, 300,000 fake ballots. Then the other thing they said is in Fulton County and other areas. And this may or may not … because this just came up this morning that they are burning their ballots, that they are shredding, shredding ballots and removing equipment. They’re changing the equipment on the Dominion machines and, you know, that’s not legal.

And they supposedly shredded I think they said 300 pounds of, 3,000 pounds of ballots. And that just came to us as a report today. And it is a very sad situation.

But Brad, if you took the minimum numbers where many, many times above the 11,779 and many of those numbers are certified, or they will be certified but they are certified. And those are numbers that are there that exist. And that beat the margin of loss, they beat it, I mean by a lot and people should be happy to have an accurate count instead of an election where there’s turmoil.

I mean there’s turmoil in Georgia and other places. You’re not the only one I mean we have other states that I believe will be flipping to us very shortly. And this is something that — You know, as an example, I think it in Detroit, I think there’s a section a good section of your state actually, which we’re not sure so we’re not going to report it yet. But in Detroit, we had, I think it was, 139% of the people voted. That’s not too good.

In Pennsylvania, they had well over 200,000 more votes than they had people voting. And uh that doesn’t play too well, and the legislature there is, which is Republican, is extremely activist and angry. I mean, there were other things also that were almost as bad as that. But, uh, they had as an example, in Michigan, a tremendous number of dead people that voted. I think it was I think, Mark, it was 18,000. Some unbelievably high number, much higher than yours, you were in the 4-5,000 category.

And that was checked out laboriously by going through, by going through the obituary columns in the newspapers.

So I guess with all of it being said, Brad, the bottom line and provisional ballots, again, you know, you’ll have to tell me about the provisional ballots, but we have a lot of people that were complaining that they weren’t able to vote because they were already voted for. These are great people.

And, you know, they were shellshocked. I don’t know if you call that provisional ballots. In some states we had a lot of provisional ballot situations where people were given a provisional ballot because when they walked in on November 3 and they were already voted for.

So that’s it. I mean, we have many many times the number of votes necessary to win the state. And we won the state and we won it very substantially and easily and we’re getting, we have, much of this is a very, you know they’re certified, far more certified than we need. But we’re getting additional numbers certified, too. And we’re getting pictures of dropboxes being delivered and delivered late. Delivered three days later, in some cases, plus we have many affidavits to that effect.

Edited August 17, 2023 by Highmark

[Guest]

I have zero desire to try and change someone's mind from being a Trumper. I know they will defend him at all costs. You  like him, that's fine  

I think he's a narcissistic douchebag that cares more about himself and his ego than anyone on the planet, his actions agree with me I feel. 

[Rod]

Do we still consider the DNC and fbi colluding to sway the election a conspiracy theory even though it happened 

[Highmark]

13 minutes ago, HSR said:

I have zero desire to try and change someone's mind from being a Trumper. I know they will defend him at all costs. You  like him, that's fine  

I think he's a narcissistic douchebag that cares more about himself and his ego than anyone on the planet, his actions agree with me I feel. 

I think he's a narcissistic douchebag as well but he made tons of great decisions as POTUS.   I'll take that over 'Ol sniffer any day of the week.  I defend him because of policy and how he was railroaded by our govt for going on 7 years now.

BTW just being a narcissistic douchebag doesn't mean he committed a crime.   In fact his narcissism leads 100% towards that he really believed in the election irregularities and even liberal political commentators has said that is much of the essence of the case.

Everyone who runs for POTUS has a narcissistic streak in them.   Thinking you are the best person to become the most powerful person in the world makes that evidently clear.   The douchebag part is optional and many of them had some of that quality as well.        

Edited August 17, 2023 by Highmark