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Just Be Grateful The Standing Rock Sioux Tribe Isn't Defending Its Property The Way A White Republican Man Would


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1 hour ago, sledderj said:

 

The EPA has signed off on it and they are far from laissez faire in their approach to the cleanup.  I read a good chunk of their final report.  Any remaining issues are being monitored by the state and Enbridge is still liable for.  

FAR from the #fakenews being posted by some on here.  

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, you mean the EPA staffed by mostly corporate cronies? 

:lol:

 

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33 minutes ago, racinfarmer said:

They should have stuck it out until early March to see how many clear out over winter.  

 

Just imagine if they'd have paid the indians, say, $5bbl and kept the route the same.  We'd have never heard about this.  

Or a few bottles of booze 

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9 minutes ago, Sludgey said:

Or a few bottles of booze 

Just like Manhatten was bought for a few bead necklaces and some small pox infected blankets :guzzle: a case of firewater will get you just about anything with Chugs 

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22 hours ago, sledderj said:

 

Enbridge has paid out over 1.5 billion to date in spill cleanup costs.  What are you talking about?  

Why do you think dilbit can't be remediated?  Can you cite some studies authored by scientists and engineers who say it can't, because I've read a few that say it needs to be treated a little different than light crude, but is not a whole lot different when you break the chemistry down.  

 

 

 

 

Oil company costs for clean up are limited. They lobby/pay off politicians to get those deals.

They were suppose to prove they could clean up dilbit in order to get approval for pipelines in Canada.

They were not able to but they were still approved. 

Remediation is an interesting term. Didn't they just put chemicals on the BP oil spill so the oil would sink to the bottom? Same thing with Enbridge. Do you think they were able to filter the water in the river or sift through the sand and the bottom of the river?

If I dumped a tanker of oil on your property. Would you be happy with an inch of topsoil and new grass seed?

 

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1 minute ago, revkevsdi said:

Oil company costs for clean up are limited. They lobby/pay off politicians to get those deals.

They were suppose to prove they could clean up dilbit in order to get approval for pipelines in Canada.

They were not able to but they were still approved. 

Remediation is an interesting term. Didn't they just put chemicals on the BP oil spill so the oil would sink to the bottom? Same thing with Enbridge. Do you think they were able to filter the water in the river or sift through the sand and the bottom of the river?

If I dumped a tanker of oil on your property. Would you be happy with an inch of topsoil and new grass seed?

 

Passing off opinion as fact 101 

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It appears that the Army Corp of Engineers is protecting the USA in spite of the incoming President.

So many people seem to think that energy independence if the end all and be all of national security.

In fact people want to sell you oil. If you had to, you could drive less, or heat your homes with alternative energy.

However if you pollute your drinking water, land, kill the bees, the fish etc. How are you going to eat?

Not being able to feed yourself is a real threat to your security. Company's that risk that for a quick buck shouldn't be trusted.

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1 minute ago, revkevsdi said:

It appears that the Army Corp of Engineers is protecting the USA in spite of the incoming President.

So many people seem to think that energy independence if the end all and be all of national security.

In fact people want to sell you oil. If you had to, you could drive less, or heat your homes with alternative energy.

However if you pollute your drinking water, land, kill the bees, the fish etc. How are you going to eat?

Not being able to feed yourself is a real threat to your security. Company's that risk that for a quick buck shouldn't be trusted.

Far removed from reality 101 

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15 minutes ago, revkevsdi said:

It appears that the Army Corp of Engineers is protecting the USA in spite of the incoming President.

So many people seem to think that energy independence if the end all and be all of national security.

In fact people want to sell you oil. If you had to, you could drive less, or heat your homes with alternative energy.

However if you pollute your drinking water, land, kill the bees, the fish etc. How are you going to eat?

Not being able to feed yourself is a real threat to your security. Company's that risk that for a quick buck shouldn't be trusted.

:wrong:

 

13 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

Really? It called the future.

:wrong:

 

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58 minutes ago, revkevsdi said:

It appears that the Army Corp of Engineers is protecting the USA in spite of the incoming President.

So many people seem to think that energy independence if the end all and be all of national security.

In fact people want to sell you oil. If you had to, you could drive less, or heat your homes with alternative energy.

However if you pollute your drinking water, land, kill the bees, the fish etc. How are you going to eat?

Not being able to feed yourself is a real threat to your security. Company's that risk that for a quick buck shouldn't be trusted.

I thought they were protecting us from damage to a sacred place? 

You know that there are other lines under the riverbed far from here, right? Lines that are less safe than what they were planning to put in. 

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9 minutes ago, washedupmxer said:

I thought they were protecting us from damage to a sacred place? 

You know that there are other lines under the riverbed far from here, right? Lines that are less safe than what they were planning to put in. 

Comforting...

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Reality is there are multiple pipelines that are already in the area.   None including this one travel thru tribal lands.  They were given a chance to voice concerns or protest before production began and they didn't.   They waited until around $4 billion had already been spent.   They allowed this to COOP into the anti oil/climate change movement that is no longer about protecting their lands.  A DC circuit judge appointed by Obama approved it as did another panel of judges.  The courts decide these things not protesting tree huggers.  

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23 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Reality is there are multiple pipelines that are already in the area.   None including this one travel thru tribal lands.  They were given a chance to voice concerns or protest before production began and they didn't.   They waited until around $4 billion had already been spent.   They allowed this to COOP into the anti oil/climate change movement that is no longer about protecting their lands.  A DC circuit judge appointed by Obama approved it as did another panel of judges.  The courts decide these things not protesting tree huggers.  

You dont live there, they do. They protested and won. Why do you care?

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