motonoggin Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 1 hour ago, sledderj said: The EPA has signed off on it and they are far from laissez faire in their approach to the cleanup. I read a good chunk of their final report. Any remaining issues are being monitored by the state and Enbridge is still liable for. FAR from the #fakenews being posted by some on here. Oh, you mean the EPA staffed by mostly corporate cronies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoslinger Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 sioux 1 douchebags 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted December 4, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 4, 2016 Army Corp denies easement. http://nypost.com/2016/12/04/army-corps-of-engineers-wont-grant-easement-for-dakota-access-pipeline/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 58 minutes ago, Biggie Smails said: Army Corp denies easement. http://nypost.com/2016/12/04/army-corps-of-engineers-wont-grant-easement-for-dakota-access-pipeline/ Doesn't matter anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 They should have stuck it out until early March to see how many clear out over winter. Just imagine if they'd have paid the indians, say, $5bbl and kept the route the same. We'd have never heard about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 33 minutes ago, racinfarmer said: They should have stuck it out until early March to see how many clear out over winter. Just imagine if they'd have paid the indians, say, $5bbl and kept the route the same. We'd have never heard about this. Or a few bottles of booze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 9 minutes ago, Sludgey said: Or a few bottles of booze Just like Manhatten was bought for a few bead necklaces and some small pox infected blankets a case of firewater will get you just about anything with Chugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 ^ fascist scum right here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 6 hours ago, motonoggin said: ^ fascist scum right here ^ Braindead clueless burned up Stoner right there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 22 hours ago, sledderj said: Enbridge has paid out over 1.5 billion to date in spill cleanup costs. What are you talking about? Why do you think dilbit can't be remediated? Can you cite some studies authored by scientists and engineers who say it can't, because I've read a few that say it needs to be treated a little different than light crude, but is not a whole lot different when you break the chemistry down. Oil company costs for clean up are limited. They lobby/pay off politicians to get those deals. They were suppose to prove they could clean up dilbit in order to get approval for pipelines in Canada. They were not able to but they were still approved. Remediation is an interesting term. Didn't they just put chemicals on the BP oil spill so the oil would sink to the bottom? Same thing with Enbridge. Do you think they were able to filter the water in the river or sift through the sand and the bottom of the river? If I dumped a tanker of oil on your property. Would you be happy with an inch of topsoil and new grass seed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 minute ago, revkevsdi said: Oil company costs for clean up are limited. They lobby/pay off politicians to get those deals. They were suppose to prove they could clean up dilbit in order to get approval for pipelines in Canada. They were not able to but they were still approved. Remediation is an interesting term. Didn't they just put chemicals on the BP oil spill so the oil would sink to the bottom? Same thing with Enbridge. Do you think they were able to filter the water in the river or sift through the sand and the bottom of the river? If I dumped a tanker of oil on your property. Would you be happy with an inch of topsoil and new grass seed? Passing off opinion as fact 101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 It appears that the Army Corp of Engineers is protecting the USA in spite of the incoming President. So many people seem to think that energy independence if the end all and be all of national security. In fact people want to sell you oil. If you had to, you could drive less, or heat your homes with alternative energy. However if you pollute your drinking water, land, kill the bees, the fish etc. How are you going to eat? Not being able to feed yourself is a real threat to your security. Company's that risk that for a quick buck shouldn't be trusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 minute ago, revkevsdi said: It appears that the Army Corp of Engineers is protecting the USA in spite of the incoming President. So many people seem to think that energy independence if the end all and be all of national security. In fact people want to sell you oil. If you had to, you could drive less, or heat your homes with alternative energy. However if you pollute your drinking water, land, kill the bees, the fish etc. How are you going to eat? Not being able to feed yourself is a real threat to your security. Company's that risk that for a quick buck shouldn't be trusted. Far removed from reality 101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkevsdi Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, Sludgey said: Passing off opinion as fact 101 https://www.dpc.senate.gov/files_energybill/background_oil_spills_liability_limits.pdf Owning a shithead 101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Just now, Sludgey said: Far removed from reality 101 Really? It called the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 15 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: It appears that the Army Corp of Engineers is protecting the USA in spite of the incoming President. So many people seem to think that energy independence if the end all and be all of national security. In fact people want to sell you oil. If you had to, you could drive less, or heat your homes with alternative energy. However if you pollute your drinking water, land, kill the bees, the fish etc. How are you going to eat? Not being able to feed yourself is a real threat to your security. Company's that risk that for a quick buck shouldn't be trusted. 13 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Really? It called the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 58 minutes ago, revkevsdi said: It appears that the Army Corp of Engineers is protecting the USA in spite of the incoming President. So many people seem to think that energy independence if the end all and be all of national security. In fact people want to sell you oil. If you had to, you could drive less, or heat your homes with alternative energy. However if you pollute your drinking water, land, kill the bees, the fish etc. How are you going to eat? Not being able to feed yourself is a real threat to your security. Company's that risk that for a quick buck shouldn't be trusted. I thought they were protecting us from damage to a sacred place? You know that there are other lines under the riverbed far from here, right? Lines that are less safe than what they were planning to put in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 9 minutes ago, washedupmxer said: I thought they were protecting us from damage to a sacred place? You know that there are other lines under the riverbed far from here, right? Lines that are less safe than what they were planning to put in. Comforting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 5, 2016 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) Reality is there are multiple pipelines that are already in the area. None including this one travel thru tribal lands. They were given a chance to voice concerns or protest before production began and they didn't. They waited until around $4 billion had already been spent. They allowed this to COOP into the anti oil/climate change movement that is no longer about protecting their lands. A DC circuit judge appointed by Obama approved it as did another panel of judges. The courts decide these things not protesting tree huggers. Edited December 5, 2016 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 23 minutes ago, Highmark said: Reality is there are multiple pipelines that are already in the area. None including this one travel thru tribal lands. They were given a chance to voice concerns or protest before production began and they didn't. They waited until around $4 billion had already been spent. They allowed this to COOP into the anti oil/climate change movement that is no longer about protecting their lands. A DC circuit judge appointed by Obama approved it as did another panel of judges. The courts decide these things not protesting tree huggers. You dont live there, they do. They protested and won. Why do you care? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 28 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Comforting... You just sit there and wait for the next directive on what to get fired up about mmmmk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 40 minutes ago, washedupmxer said: You just sit there and wait for the next directive on what to get fired up about mmmmk? irony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 3 hours ago, revkevsdi said: https://www.dpc.senate.gov/files_energybill/background_oil_spills_liability_limits.pdf Owning a shithead 101 a shithead he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: irony #truth < something you dont value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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