DriftBusta Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, f7ben said: Omg Joelle just smashing skulls 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: Just stop it. FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Just stop it. FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, washedupmxer said: I don't think you've actually been out in the world much lol You want to talk about addicts by the definition or addict in my opinion? But no certainly not everybody that does any drug anytime is an addict. Do you really believe that someone on heroin is going to be a responsible member of society? So you've done alot of research on what percentage of drug users become addicts? Am I supposed to take your anecdotal evidence over research? All of your questions about this or that are missing the point because like everyone else who favors prohibition, you insist that those who wish to see drugs legalized have answers to every problem or it's unacceptable yet here we are 50 years into the drug war and drug use has not gone down, people are still dying but you give the government a pass for not having solved those problems. People who want to legalize drugs don't have to have an answer to all of those problems because those problems aren't solvable by government, it's personal responsibility. Go ahead and keep believing otherwise though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, washedupmxer said: Agree first part Second part not as much And being addicted to pain pills and doing heroin are two completely different things man They are exactly the same. In fact the pills are more addictive because they were designed to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, f7ben said: They dont have to deal with the stigma and socioeconomic issues and they are also likely highly functional to start with. And they have structure in their lives that keeps them otherwise occupied from becoming an addict. It's no different than how some people can put down massive amounts of alcohol while partying and then be model citizens and parents the rest of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, frenchy said: once you are addicted where else do you go? Depends what kind of person you already are. But again my point is easier access makes it easier for people to become users and addicted it's been my whole point all along Doctors are certainly drug dealers. At least they were anyway... I can't get what they used to prescribe me anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, SSFB said: And they have structure in their lives that keeps them otherwise occupied from becoming an addict. It's no different than how some people can put down massive amounts of alcohol while partying and then be model citizens and parents the rest of the time. f7ben style !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, f7ben said: They are exactly the same. In fact the pills are more addictive because they were designed to be Good god Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, washedupmxer said: Good god What part of that made you queef? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, washedupmxer said: Depends what kind of person you already are. But again my point is easier access makes it easier for people to become users and addicted it's been my whole point all along Doctors are certainly drug dealers. At least they were anyway... I can't get what they used to prescribe me anymore A pill is the most cost effective solution for those with chronic pain, especially those with limited or poor private insurance. Not to mention there are no rules against gifts or payments to doctors by drug companies like there are in other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, frenchy said: American doctors prescribe more opioids than anyone else in the world. They are the ones getting people hooked - legally. Look there as to why all these kids you know are on heroin. Unfortunately very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Prohibition doesn’t work, it makes things worse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, Tickle Shits said: Prohibition doesn’t work, it makes things worse It's about the simplest concept to understand. The amount of empirical evidence supporting that conclusion is so overwhelming you'd have to be retarded to argue against it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, f7ben said: It's about the simplest concept to understand. The amount of empirical evidence supporting that conclusion is so overwhelming you'd have to be retarded to argue against it It’s as simple as looking at what alcohol prohibition did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tickle Shits said: Prohibition doesn’t work, it makes things worse It's great watching supposed conservatives tell us how we need big brother to protect us from drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 42 minutes ago, SSFB said: Trump has some good ideas. Only the TDS crowd thinks otherwise. His execution is usually terrible though. Byproduct of incredible narcissism. yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 57 minutes ago, frenchy said: American doctors prescribe more opioids than anyone else in the world. They are the ones getting people hooked - legally. Look there as to why all these kids you know are on heroin. No argument! But that has changed big time in the past couple years in terms of what doctors are allowed to prescribe, and the documentation required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 3, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 hours ago, washedupmxer said: In a perfect world. Your first mistake is giving humanity too much credit. Have you actually ever thought about what legal heroin would be like? Are you really dumb enough to believe that's good for society? What do you believe it would be like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: What do you believe it would be like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 3, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, frenchy said: A pill is the most cost effective solution for those with chronic pain, especially those with limited or poor private insurance. Not to mention there are no rules against gifts or payments to doctors by drug companies like there are in other countries. But chronic pain is a term thrown around way too much. Heard on news the other day 100 million Americans have chronic pain. Fuck there are only 335 million Americans . Ive wiped out sleds, bikes , wheelers. Been in a head on collision and had the end of a house fall on me. I don't have anything close to " chronic pain" I wonder if chronic pain for 10 million of them has to do with who resides at 1600 penn ave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted December 3, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, DriftBusta said: No argument! But that has changed big time in the past couple years in terms of what doctors are allowed to prescribe, and the documentation required. ANd you will see the benefit to that in another yr or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, steve from amherst said: But chronic pain is a term thrown around way too much. Heard on news the other day 100 million Americans have chronic pain. Fuck there are only 335 million Americans . Ive wiped out sleds, bikes , wheelers. Been in a head on collision and had the end of a house fall on me. I don't have anything close to " chronic pain" I wonder if chronic pain for 10 million of them has to do with who resides at 1600 penn ave. Not arguing that either. Everything is over diagnosed when you can profit from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Facts are most of the arguments made here are pretty poor. Trying to compare alcohol to heroin is laughable. Ever known a heroin addict?If you did youd know from the time their eyes open to the time they sleep it's all they think about. Well that and getting money to get more heroin. I think the stat is 90 something perecent don't kick until they od sometimes it takes a few od or they just die . Yes let's make it legal We need big brother to protect is from climate change, food, fat, all kinds of stupid shit but not heroin smh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 9 hours ago, DriftBusta said: No argument! But that has changed big time in the past couple years in terms of what doctors are allowed to prescribe, and the documentation required. 100% I dont even bother getting my ultrim script anymore , to much hassle 7 hours ago, steve from amherst said: What do you believe it would be like? Like San Francisco. People laying in the streets needles on the ground, piles of shit all around. They don't do use or possession enforcement there so..... Ya there's your peak into to legal heroin Looks peaches, take the kids ,have a great time smh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted December 3, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, washedupmxer said: Facts are most of the arguments made here are pretty poor. Trying to compare alcohol to heroin is laughable. Ever known a heroin addict?If you did youd know from the time their eyes open to the time they sleep it's all they think about. Well that and getting money to get more heroin. I think the stat is 90 something perecent don't kick until they od sometimes it takes a few od or they just die . Yes let's make it legal We need big brother to protect is from climate change, food, fat, all kinds of stupid shit but not heroin smh You just made the case for legalization...well done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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