spin_dry Posted September 5, 2023 Author Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 hour ago, SkisNH said: Crimea was taken for strategic purposes. all 5 of the countries that Putin has invaded was for strategic purposes. Where does it end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, spin_dry said: all 5 of the countries that Putin has invaded was for strategic purposes. Where does it end? Makes more sense when you look at what I quoted...and yes Crimeas port is vitally important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 5, 2023 Author Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 minute ago, SkisNH said: Makes more sense when you look at what I quoted...and yes Crimeas port is vitally important. Did Putin say that’s the reason he took Crimea? Of course not. He’s a liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 8 hours ago, SkisNH said: You're welcome.. Why were you 2 years late both times? Seems Canada has more military experience in wars that matter. Canada was protecting your rights. Your welcome.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, awful knawful said: Why were you 2 years late both times? Seems Canada has more military experience in wars that matter. Canada was protecting your rights. Your welcome.. If it comes down to dropping nuclear bombs not once but twice on cities full of women and children they have more experience than anyone, by far. Not their greatest moment IMHO, but the movie is doing well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bontz Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 I don't know about the rest of the class, but I am certain to enroll in "American History & The Atomic Bomb" - by self proclaimed expert, cinema analyst, and internet forum lackey, HSR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted September 5, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 5, 2023 2 hours ago, spin_dry said: all 5 of the countries that Putin has invaded was for strategic purposes. Where does it end? He wants mother Russia to resemble the old USSR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkisNH Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 27 minutes ago, awful knawful said: Why were you 2 years late both times? Seems Canada has more military experience in wars that matter. Canada was protecting your rights. Your welcome.. As HSR said we were minding our business...in both cases when we were attacked we got in and saved the free world. You're welcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted September 5, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 5, 2023 Just now, SkisNH said: As HSR said we were minding our business...in both cases when we were attacked we got in and helped save the free world. You're welcome. Fixed it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Steve753 said: He wants mother Russia to resemble the old USSR. Exactly. 5 minutes ago, SkisNH said: As HSR said we were minding our business...in both cases when we were attacked we got in and saved the free world. You're welcome. Japan was going to take over the world? When attacked on 9/11 who do you feel was responsible and what did you do to retaliate? Were you also saving the free world from Saddam and his imaginary WMD?Or was that about oil in your opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 16 minutes ago, SkisNH said: As HSR said we were minding our business...in both cases when we were attacked we got in and saved the free world. You're welcome. Minding your own business eh? Oh how times have changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 35 minutes ago, HSR said: If it comes down to dropping nuclear bombs not once but twice on cities full of women and children they have more experience than anyone, by far. Not their greatest moment IMHO, but the movie is doing well Not a fan, but it was justified. Ended 4 years of war and the fanatical Japanese would have Many more on both sides would have died during a ground invasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, HSR said: Exactly. Japan was going to take over the world? When attacked on 9/11 who do you feel was responsible and what did you do to retaliate? Were you also saving the free world from Saddam and his imaginary WMD?Or was that about oil in your opinion? You must have missed what the Japanese did to China and the Philippines. As bad or worse the the Narzis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Voodoo said: Not a fan, but it was justified. Ended 4 years of war and the fanatical Japanese would have Many more on both sides would have died during a ground invasion. Soldiers dying is one thing, the intentional murder of women and children is inexcusable, we'll have to agree to disagree. 1 hour ago, Voodoo said: You must have missed what the Japanese did to China and the Philippines. As bad or worse the the Narzis Still no reason to stoop lower. There is a reason it's never happened since in any war and hopefully never happens again. Now China is a rich nuclear super power with their nukes pointed at the US. Not a fan of that either. EDIT: my comment regarding Japan was in response to a reference to the US having saved "the free world" which is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted September 6, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 6, 2023 FFS….WW2 is now being fought again with The United States as the villian…SMH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted September 6, 2023 Author Share Posted September 6, 2023 16 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: FFS….WW2 is now being fought again with The United States as the villian…SMH In some people’s minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 31 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: FFS….WW2 is now being fought again with The United States as the villian…SMH Yeah apparently some want to relitigate WW2...those poor Japanese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Jimmy Snacks said: FFS….WW2 is now being fought again with The United States as the villian…SMH All depends what personality is coming to the surface for some. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Voodoo said: Not a fan, but it was justified. Ended 4 years of war and the fanatical Japanese would have Many more on both sides would have died during a ground invasion. He needs to Google Bataan Death March before he starts putting flowers behind their ears.... Estimates of the Japanese invasion had it happened were in the millions. Hell, it was figured allied casualties for the campaign were to be 1,000,000. To this day, they are still handing out the Purple Heart Medals that had been procured for the invasion. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted September 6, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 6, 2023 9 hours ago, Jimmy Snacks said: FFS….WW2 is now being fought again with The United States as the villian…SMH It sort of fun to watch but sad at the same time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 13 hours ago, awful knawful said: Why were you 2 years late both times? Seems Canada has more military experience in wars that matter. Canada was protecting your rights. Your welcome.. While we appreciate Canada for what it did in WWII, let's get real for a moment... American war production proved astonishing. At the huge Willow Run plant in Michigan, the greatest generation turned out a B-24 heavy bomber every hour. A single shipyard could mass-produce an ocean-going Liberty merchant ship from scratch in a week. In just four years, the United States would produce more airplanes than all of the major war powers combined. Germany, Japan, Italy, and the Soviet Union could not build a successful four-engine heavy bomber. America, in contrast, produced 34,000 excellent B-17s, B-24s, and B-29s. By 1944, the new U.S. Navy had become the largest in the history of civilization at more than 6,000 ships. Its B-29 heavy bomber program and Manhattan Project efforts together cost more $50 billion in today’s dollars. America sent troops throughout the Pacific islands, and to North Africa, Italy, and Western Europe. The United States staged two simultaneous bombing campaigns against Germany and Japan while conducting surface and submarine campaigns against all of the Axis powers. At the same time, the U.S. supplied the Soviet Union with 400,000 heavy trucks, 2,000 locomotives, 11,000 railcars, and billions of dollars worth of planes, tanks, food, clothing, and strategic resources. By 1943–44, the U.S. also supplied about 20 percent of Britain’s munitions. If the measure of wartime success is defined by quickly defeating and humiliating enemies at the least cost in blood and treasure, then America waged a brilliant war. Of the major powers, only America’s homeland was not systematically bombed. It was never invaded. While its 400,000 fatalities were a terrible cost of victory, the United States lost the smallest percentage of its population of any major power. By late 1944, the American M1 rifle, B-29 heavy bomber, P-51 Mustang fighter, Gato-class submarines, Essex-class aircraft carriers, and Iowa-class battleships were the best weapons of their class. America did not win World War II alone. But without the United States, the war against Axis fascism would have been lost. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franks pond Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Trucks, Tanks and Guns Britain had entered the war with 80,000 military vehicles of all types; however, 75,000 of these British vehicles were left behind in the evacuation at Dunkirk in 1940. Virtually defenceless on the ground, Britain turned to Canada - and particularly the Canadian auto industry - to replace what had been lost. Canada not only replaced these losses, it did much more. Canadian industry produced more than 800,000 military transport vehicles, 50,000 tanks, 40,000 field, naval, and anti-aircraft guns, and 1,700,000 small arms. Of the 800,000 military vehicles of all types built in Canada, 168,000 were issued to Canadian Forces. Thirty-eight percent of the total Canadian production went to the British. The remainder of the vehicles went to the other Allies. This meant that the Canadian Army "in the field" had a ratio of one vehicle for every three soldiers, making it the most mechanized field force in the war. The Bombardier company of Valcourt, Quebec, built more than 150 military snowmobiles. General Motors developed a frame for another snowmobile, of which 300 were built. Canadian Pacific Railway constructed 788 Valentine tanks in its Angus shop in Montreal; its engine was built by General Motors. 5,200 tanks had been built at C.P. Angus and Montreal Locomotive Company shops by the end of the war. There were 2,150 twenty-five pounder "Sexton" self-propelled guns were built by Montreal Locomotive Works. A heavy utility vehicle body was developed in Canada. Four-thousand such vehicles were manufactured by General Motors in Oshawa. This vehicle body could be mounted on a 4x4 chassis and could, with slight modifications, be used as a personnel carrier, ambulance, light wireless, truck or machinery truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Again... thanks... American industry provided almost two-thirds of all the Allied military equipment produced during the war: 297,000 aircraft, 193,000 artillery pieces, 86,000 tanks and two million army trucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted September 6, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 6, 2023 How’d production and participation compare per capita? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 54 minutes ago, Snake said: While we appreciate Canada for what it did in WWII, let's get real for a moment... American war production proved astonishing. At the huge Willow Run plant in Michigan, the greatest generation turned out a B-24 heavy bomber every hour. A single shipyard could mass-produce an ocean-going Liberty merchant ship from scratch in a week. In just four years, the United States would produce more airplanes than all of the major war powers combined. Germany, Japan, Italy, and the Soviet Union could not build a successful four-engine heavy bomber. America, in contrast, produced 34,000 excellent B-17s, B-24s, and B-29s. By 1944, the new U.S. Navy had become the largest in the history of civilization at more than 6,000 ships. Its B-29 heavy bomber program and Manhattan Project efforts together cost more $50 billion in today’s dollars. America sent troops throughout the Pacific islands, and to North Africa, Italy, and Western Europe. The United States staged two simultaneous bombing campaigns against Germany and Japan while conducting surface and submarine campaigns against all of the Axis powers. At the same time, the U.S. supplied the Soviet Union with 400,000 heavy trucks, 2,000 locomotives, 11,000 railcars, and billions of dollars worth of planes, tanks, food, clothing, and strategic resources. By 1943–44, the U.S. also supplied about 20 percent of Britain’s munitions. If the measure of wartime success is defined by quickly defeating and humiliating enemies at the least cost in blood and treasure, then America waged a brilliant war. Of the major powers, only America’s homeland was not systematically bombed. It was never invaded. While its 400,000 fatalities were a terrible cost of victory, the United States lost the smallest percentage of its population of any major power. By late 1944, the American M1 rifle, B-29 heavy bomber, P-51 Mustang fighter, Gato-class submarines, Essex-class aircraft carriers, and Iowa-class battleships were the best weapons of their class. America did not win World War II alone. But without the United States, the war against Axis fascism would have been lost. Yeah, we had women doing those jobs, while our men were off fighting. But you swing it anyway you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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