10 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

anyone care to speculate what an 858 RXC with the premium GAYge is going to run $-wise? 

my guess... $20,858 

 

between an equally equipped doo and poo

1 hour ago, krom said:

between an equally equipped doo and poo

maybe I'm shooting a bit over the actual retail price Mr Barker but for 2024 MY in comparable big bump big bores... 

850 Doo XRS 137 1.25 w/gauge and std shocks - $18,149

840 XCR 136 1.25 w/PUDD - $18,398 

850 RAVE with gauge - $20,449 

add inflation and increased labor and materials... we're looking at $20k+ sleds, imo.

 

Edited September 11, 20231 yr by Crnr2Crnr

Cats are not cheap in Canada.

 

On 9/10/2023 at 3:55 PM, krom said:

 

 

Cue the guy with more green underwear than brain cells. Right on schedule 

And he only has 2 pairs of green underwear 😂

8 minutes ago, awful knawful said:

Cats are not cheap in Canada.

 

holy fuck... 

5 hours ago, Bontz said:

The Satanic Cat ... SataniCat 

We need somebody to make a Ben White meme that says "Unleash the Beast!"

15 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

BRP seems to have a lot of FU$ to throw at racing the past few years... maybe because they sell so many sleds?  No race sleds XC or SX were shown at HD to my knowledge?  

Cat has ZH312, the TH68 of XC racing.  Guess we'll see how much better (more competitive) this new buggy is by seeing the results of everyone else beneath his caliber this winter. 

Rumor has it the availability of RXCs for 'racers' is bleak which seems like an odd business decision for a company that wants to be competitive.  No word on the SX side and I'll be less than shocked if their back on the 2018 chassis again. 

How about that big bore though? 

 

Textron is going to manufacture what actually sells. They are in the business to make money. Supporting a dying venue like sno-x which barely scrapes together enough entries to host a pro class isn’t the road that leads to financial success for Cat.

Nobody gives a shit about sno-x.

4 minutes ago, AK440 said:

Textron is going to manufacture what actually sells. They are in the business to make money. Supporting a dying venue like sno-x which barely scrapes together enough entries to host a pro class isn’t the road that leads to financial success for Cat.

Nobody gives a shit about sno-x.

Well it's about f'ing time (and they still won't be doing that for over a year!).  They're only about 5 years late to the party.

9 minutes ago, Bontz said:

Well it's about f'ing time (and they still won't be doing that for over a year!).  They're only about 5 years late to the party.

Yet the difference is Cat will make it reliable. Cant say that about Poo.

So, Cat does the absolute bare minimum at Hay Days to catch up to Ski-Doo and Polaris.

What exactly did they do to differentiate themselves and gain marketshare?

At least they put themselves in a position where people will at least take an apples to apples look at what they have to offer. 

Unfortunately, the new Cat big bore will never be top dog in the 800 class '25. Both Polaris and Ski-Doo will come out with bigger iron this spring to take a shit on Cat's latest offering...... And in '25, Cat will again be on the bottom.... 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Ziemann said:

So, Cat does the absolute bare minimum at Hay Days to catch up to Ski-Doo and Polaris.

What exactly did they do to differentiate themselves and gain marketshare?

At least they put themselves in a position where people will at least take an apples to apples look at what they have to offer. 

Unfortunately, the new Cat big bore will never be top dog in the 800 class '25. Both Polaris and Ski-Doo will come out with bigger iron this spring to take a shit on Cat's latest offering...... And in '25, Cat will again be on the bottom.... 

 

 

A reliable motor. No one is coming out with bigger engines. Certification is very expensive. You need to pay for tooling before you advance.  Typical DUMB FUCK RESONANCE from a total fucktard.

31 minutes ago, AK440 said:

Textron is going to manufacture what actually sells. They are in the business to make money. Supporting a dying venue like sno-x which barely scrapes together enough entries to host a pro class isn’t the road that leads to financial success for Cat.

Nobody gives a shit about sno-x.

BRP does, but they have FU$ from selling so many gdamn sleds, and I don't even like BRP products.

 

 

17 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

Yet the difference is Cat will make it reliable. Cant say that about Poo.

Maybe if the powerplant had Suzuki''s name on it.  I wouldn't be so confident, given Cat's woes when not being able to borrow EPA credits any longer.  We'll see ... in 2025

Did polaris announce any recalls at hay days this year?

10 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

A reliable motor. No one is coming out with bigger engines. 

Speculation. Cat's 800 had early reliability issues, but you denied that as well. 

"No one is coming out with bigger engines." NOW, that is a stupid assumption. Do you actually think Ski-Doo and Polaris are going to allow Cat's 858 to be the largest engine in that market segment? How much glue to you huff nightly?

Jim- do you even believe your own bullshit? When you type this stuff out, do you think to yourself "That will convince them....."

1 minute ago, wrinkly balls said:

Did polaris announce any recalls at hay days this year?

LOL ... touché 

11 minutes ago, Bontz said:

Maybe if the powerplant had Suzuki''s name on it. 

Agreed 100% Chris. No one has confidence in Cat's engines like they did with the Suzuki's. 

7 hours ago, awful knawful said:

And he only has 2 pairs of green underwear 😂

They were green when new, now much more dipshit colored.

32 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

Yet the difference is Cat will make it reliable. Cant say that about Poo.

And in 2025 you will eat your crow.  Majorly. 

3 minutes ago, wrinkly balls said:

Did polaris announce any recalls at hay days this year?

Worse yet- has anyone located a dealer NOT buried in recall work that can actually get my sled done?

7 minutes ago, Ziemann said:

Agreed 100% Chris. No one has confidence in Cat's engines like they did with the Suzuki's. 

I'd buy a first year Suzuki but not a first year from Doo, poo or Car.

Edited September 12, 20231 yr by Deephaven

Agreed 100%

11 minutes ago, Bontz said:

Maybe if the powerplant had Suzuki''s name on it.  I wouldn't be so confident, given Cat's woes when not being able to borrow EPA credits any longer.  We'll see ... in 2025

Why would you give Suzuki so much credit to build a modern EPA compliant motor?  They never did during the cat partnership.  

Oh yeah because you're just looking to be negative towards cat in any way possible.  Got it.  Carry on with the hate.

You also obviously don't understand how the cat/Suzuki partnership went.  Suzuki manufactured the engines but the design was a direct partnership/colab with cat engineers.

15 minutes ago, Bontz said:

Maybe if the powerplant had Suzuki''s name on it.  I wouldn't be so confident, given Cat's woes when not being able to borrow EPA credits any longer.  We'll see ... in 2025

Sorry, but Cats reliability compared to poo is just to easy to prove.

6 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

Sorry, but Cats reliability compared to poo is just to easy to prove.

Like the early Cat 800's? 

8 hours ago, mnstang said:

Why would you give Suzuki so much credit to build a modern EPA compliant motor?  They never did during the cat partnership.  

Oh yeah because you're just looking to be negative towards cat in any way possible.  Got it.  Carry on with the hate.

You also obviously don't understand how the cat/Suzuki partnership went.  Suzuki manufactured the engines but the design was a direct partnership/colab with cat engineers.

SG: To an outsider, we didn’t know how much of those engines was Arctic Cat vs. Suzuki. Was Suzuki just the manufacturer and Arctic Cat the developer, or isn’t it as simple as that?

GREG SPAULDING: You have to look at it two levels. You have design and you have development. The difference with our new Arctic Cat engines is that we do both of those 100 percent. In the past, we would work jointly with Suzuki on the design. So, for instance, Joey [Hallstrom] in marketing would say, “OK, we need X for a motor – this is what we need because this is what the customer wants.” So that would be the directive, and then we would start communicating with Suzuki to work up a plan to design an engine to meet those parameters.

So we’d work jointly, but Suzuki would do the design. Obviously, they have enough experience to design a motor with the strength and structure, and we were fortunate enough to get to work really closely with them. So then we’d get the design and they would prepare typically six sand-cast prototype engines, and they would ship them here. Then we would develop those engines – develop them in the sense that, is the cylinder port layout correct? The combustion chamber, the piston profile, all the exhaust development, the intake development, the the mounting – that’s all part of the development, because it’s all part of a package. The difference now is, the design portion which we would do jointly with Suzuki, now we do 100 percent here. And then we develop that engine as we did in the past.

https://snowgoer.com/snowmobiles/arctic-cat-sleds/qa-donn-eide-joel-hallstrom-on-arctic-cats-2014-engine-full-article/15018/

the durability was all Suzuki engineering and design.  ever wonder why the Zukes used such unique crank bearings?  that was all Suzuki.  could AC have developed an EPA engine with Suzuki?  of course, but they built an engine plant so that ended that relationship.

Edited September 12, 20231 yr by Crnr2Crnr