Rod Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) Via The Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/18/ukraine-and-the-west-are-facing-a-devastating-defeat/ Edited July 23, 2023 by ACE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Absolute mind numbing retards like a snowrider claim to be pro life and then they literally finger themselves silly thinking about a half million dead Russians and Ukrainians over nothing more than some Dem money laundering and NATO wanting to poke Russia. Very strange 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 23, 2023 Author Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Absolute mind numbing retards like a snowrider claim to be pro life and then they literally finger themselves silly thinking about a half million dead Russians and Ukrainians over nothing more than some Dem money laundering and NATO wanting to poke Russia. Very strange And getting out worked by Putin The longer they drag this out, the more Russia is crippling NATO through attrition really there’s not even a reason for Russia to stop at this point. They drug it out so they might as well take it all at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, ACE said: And getting out worked by Putin The longer they drag this out, the more Russia is crippling NATO through attrition really there’s not even a reason for Russia to stop at this point. They drug it out so they might as well take it all at this point. Leftists love to be ruled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 23, 2023 Author Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Anler said: Leftists love to be ruled. Always have been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 This is what snowrider see when he looks in the mirror. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Anler said: Leftists love to be ruled. Is that why we both have lefty cunts at our countries helms? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 23, 2023 Author Share Posted July 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, Voodoo said: Is that why we both have lefty cunts at our countries helms? Typically leftists ideas are so bad they can only be implemented with authoritarianism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favoritos Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 I remember when this started and thinking they would have it wrapped up in a matter of weeks. I'm sure they thought the same thing. It's not getting easier as time passes. The whole works is turning into bad exit no matter which side throws up a flag. Both sides are digging deeper and dragging everyone else along for the ride. They also know this is going to get worse. The long term prep on both sides doesn't include exit strategies. They have plans to move refuges to longer term housing. Germany is already tight on good options and making plans for additional housing and transportation. The Russians are working on methods to fight cheaper so they can go long term. BTW, we are wasting our time debating the left or right arguments. That's just a bunch of political posturing being done up top on both sides. It's a chest pumping power game and the public is being played like pawns. We are smart enough to know better. Politicians on either side won't come up with a good reason to let this mess move across Europe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 23, 2023 Author Share Posted July 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, favoritos said: I remember when this started and thinking they would have it wrapped up in a matter of weeks. I'm sure they thought the same thing. It's not getting easier as time passes. The whole works is turning into bad exit no matter which side throws up a flag. Both sides are digging deeper and dragging everyone else along for the ride. They also know this is going to get worse. The long term prep on both sides doesn't include exit strategies. They have plans to move refuges to longer term housing. Germany is already tight on good options and making plans for additional housing and transportation. The Russians are working on methods to fight cheaper so they can go long term. BTW, we are wasting our time debating the left or right arguments. That's just a bunch of political posturing being done up top on both sides. It's a chest pumping power game and the public is being played like pawns. We are smart enough to know better. Politicians on either side won't come up with a good reason to let this mess move across Europe. Putin ended up going in slow thinking the west would concede and finally negotiate. He was wrong they’re continuing a slower approach because the goal now is to annex Ukraine, and have to live with the people after the war. The less civilian and infrastructure casualties, the better. russia is a the largest nuclear power in the world. They could turn Europe into glass in one day of they wanted to, but destruction isn’t the goal Putin made a mistake thinking the US would negotiate and didn’t realize how corrupt Biden really is. the US made a mistake thinking Russia was a weak mess. the US proxy war ended up with Putin turning it into a proxy war of slowly crippling NATO and the US. I doubt Putin even really cares to negotiate anymore and why would he when the west keeps lying to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Russia still can’t seal the deal? What a bunch of incompetent boobs. Neal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favoritos Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 @ACE,I like some of the points you make. The slower approach is a doable end game because the West will continue getting tired and could slowly let it slip in that scenario. The Russians initially didn't anticipate a real fight and they went in with that approach. The Ukrainian people had a little more gumption than expected and they knew how to play the hearts of the outside world. They played fast and played it well. The Europeans had a nice gentle reminder of what passive subservience looked like. It's not hard to find many that were not reminded of a little guy with a goofy mustache and how he changed central Europe little pieces at a time. That association was enough to make them care and get involved. The US also doesn't want to play another war game. I wouldn't say that any one person is wholly viable with corruption being a tool to that end. I'd argue that is more along the lines of collaboration with involved powers. To all those parties, they underestimated Russia's willingness to sacrifice their own resources to a seemingly small game. It's hard to fully understand the Russian end game unless you look back in history. That's where the Europeans get nervous. They've been through the slow creep of a dictator. The rest of the world got involved before that game was done. Putin never had any intention of negotiating. His strategy didn't leave room for the option. I'm pretty sure we all know he's not that naive. His real end game is the old world hierarchy with his name moved up in the ranks. That makes a person dangerous especially when they have their hands on the trigger. His end goal is becoming more diluted as this mess drags on and he has more to lose. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 hour ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Russia still can’t seal the deal? What a bunch of incompetent boobs. Neal Careful Neal there’s lots of Putin lovers here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted July 23, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Careful Neal there’s lots of Putin lovers here. Why do you say such stupid shit over and over and over and over and over…… 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Right from the headline. “The prospect of a failed counter-offensive and significant territorial concessions would only embolden Russia and China” As would appeasement. The fact that we’re still discussing this a year and a half later says everything you need to know about how well it’s going for Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted July 24, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 24, 2023 51 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Why do you say such stupid shit over and over and over and over and over…… He’s spot on. Do you read what people post…. You’re one of the Putin Puppets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted July 24, 2023 Author Share Posted July 24, 2023 Fagden is literally retarded. Who knew. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 56 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Why do you say such stupid shit over and over and over and over and over…… The same reason you start stupid threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Ukrain has taken back half of what Russia took over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 hour ago, akvanden said: Right from the headline. “The prospect of a failed counter-offensive and significant territorial concessions would only embolden Russia and China” As would appeasement. The fact that we’re still discussing this a year and a half later says everything you need to know about how well it’s going for Russia. Russia went in slow - so NATO would stay on the sidelines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 9 hours ago, ford_428cj said: Russia went in slow - so NATO would stay on the sidelines. No they didn’t, the went in fast and deep, well beyond their logistical support line and got spanked back hard. They are stuck along the border and not by where they initially went in. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted July 24, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 24, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted July 24, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 24, 2023 From last October Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted July 24, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted July 24, 2023 What's it say about US capabilities when they are now saying it will take years if not over a decade to refill supplies of 155mm artillery shells and Javelin missiles? Or is this just propaganda bullshit to put fear in American's and give the MIC more money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toslow Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 56 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: No they didn’t, the went in fast and deep, well beyond their logistical support line and got spanked back hard. They are stuck along the border and not by where they initially went in. Neal And you know this how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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