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Ziemann Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Apples to apples, how does that compare to a comparable Matryx or MX-Z? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p51mstg Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 When we talked to the engineers in January at the photo shoot, they said they weren't done shedding weight. I assume the "pre-production" machines are more of what we were riding at that time. So, based on that it would be cool if they found a way to drop a few more pounds by the time production rolls around. Ziemann - good point. I suspect the best time to get those numbers would be mid-winter, when everyone is able to get actual production units to compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkipinki Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) Well that copy and paste was shit Edited July 21, 2023 by stinkipinki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkipinki Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Here are the results in simple form: - Polaris Titan 155 837 lbs - Polaris Switchback Assault 146 584 lbs - Polaris 9R RMK Khaos 146 514 lbs - Polaris Indy 850 XCR 582 lbs - Polaris Boost Indy VR1 137 604 lbs - Polaris Indy 650 137 573 lbs - Ski Doo Expedition 900R 790 lbs - Ski Doo Renegade XRS 850 137 651 lbs - Ski Doo MXZ Blizzard 850 129 627 lbs - Ski Doo MXA Neo Plus 600 120 495 lbs - Yamaha SideWinder LTX LE EPS 137 667 lbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Premium Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) Personally I was hoping for more weight loss, but it seems like it might squeak by as the class leader. Experience tells me sleds tend to get heavier, not lighter by the time of production. We shall see! Edited July 21, 2023 by Premium 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 499 is about 25 pounds lighter than the current procross 800. Take the e start off and it will be close to the current rxc weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Not greg b said: 499 is about 25 pounds lighter than the current procross 800. Take the e start off and it will be close to the current rxc weight. Exactly. Belt drive, uni-frame, composite boards, no more couch of a seat, smaller body panels, etc, and still about the same as a Procross!? WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Premium said: Exactly. Belt drive, uni-frame, composite boards, no more couch of a seat, smaller body panels, etc, and still about the same as a Procross!? WTF Yet lighter than poo and doo all the same. Add fuel, coolant and the Polaris is way more than 499. No one rides an empty sled so the Catalyst will be in the 550 fully fueled range. 17 lbs lighter than poo's 650. Class leading. BOOM! Edited July 21, 2023 by ZR6000RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 23 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said: Yet lighter than poo and doo all the same. Add fuel, coolant and the Polaris is way more than 499. No one rides an empty sled so the Catalyst will be in the 550 fully fueled range. 17 lbs lighter than poo's 650. Class leading. BOOM! I don't think women care if their sled is 10lbs lighter than their bestie's sled. At least I've never seen 2 women argue over who's 600 class sled is lighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, HSR said: I don't think women care if their sled is 10lbs lighter than their bestie's sled. At least I've never seen 2 women argue over who's 600 class sled is lighter. So you are a female? Trans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said: So you are a female? Trans? Neither, I just can't see any male sled enthusiast getting excited over a 600cc sled. Other companies have turbo 850's and you're all wet over 120hp Can't see what the hype is about, the last new chassis release was a huge flop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 minute ago, HSR said: Neither, I just can't see any male sled enthusiast getting excited over a 600cc sled. Other companies have turbo 850's and you're all wet over 120hp Can't see what the hype is about, the last new chassis release was a huge flop. Well that is an opinion. No one needs more than a 600 honestly, but some have shortcomings to hide I guess. I ride with one 800 sled. Everyone else is on a 600 class. 3 clubs mind you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 46 minutes ago, HSR said: Neither, I just can't see any male sled enthusiast getting excited over a 600cc sled. Other companies have turbo 850's and you're all wet over 120hp Can't see what the hype is about, the last new chassis release was a huge flop. shut your filthy hole... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Premium said: Exactly. Belt drive, uni-frame, composite boards, no more couch of a seat, smaller body panels, etc, and still about the same as a Procross!? WTF Actual dry weight using the 499 number would be about 484 ready to ride with no gas, assuming the oil capacity is 4 quarts and the cooling capacity is 1 gallon (current pc holds about that much of each) Using the ship weights off Amazon for a gallon of ctech oil and a gallon of anti freeze you can subtract 15 pounds from 499. Cat was claiming a 10% weight reduction compared to the current procross. 484 pounds would be about an 8% reduction from current PC and puts that sled in the picture right about where cat said it would be. For reference the catalyst is only a few pounds more than a 1998 zr600. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Not greg b said: Actual dry weight using the 499 number would be about 484 ready to ride with no gas, assuming the oil capacity is 4 quarts and the cooling capacity is 1 gallon (current pc holds about that much of each) Using the ship weights off Amazon for a gallon of ctech oil and a gallon of anti freeze you can subtract 15 pounds from 499. Cat was claiming a 10% weight reduction compared to the current procross. 484 pounds would be about an 8% reduction from current PC and puts that sled in the picture right about where cat said it would be. For reference the catalyst is only a few pounds more than a 1998 zr600. Oil tank is 3 quarts. Weigh a non atack and you can take off an additional close to 10 lbs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, Not greg b said: Actual dry weight using the 499 number would be about 484 ready to ride with no gas, assuming the oil capacity is 4 quarts and the cooling capacity is 1 gallon (current pc holds about that much of each) Using the ship weights off Amazon for a gallon of ctech oil and a gallon of anti freeze you can subtract 15 pounds from 499. Cat was claiming a 10% weight reduction compared to the current procross. 484 pounds would be about an 8% reduction from current PC and puts that sled in the picture right about where cat said it would be. For reference the catalyst is only a few pounds more than a 1998 zr600. OK that's fair. It is also possible that the production units are actually lighter too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said: shut your filthy hole... Roger has thousands and thousands of miles on that chassis, not a one of them as slow as @ZR6000RR fastest 100 yards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Just think how far krommer would be back? I know Roger. Great man. Definitely not a custodian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripleflipper Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 14 hours ago, ZR6000RR said: Yet lighter than poo and doo all the same. Add fuel, coolant and the Polaris is way more than 499. No one rides an empty sled so the Catalyst will be in the 550 fully fueled range. 17 lbs lighter than poo's 650. Class leading. BOOM! Even if Cat has the weight advantage, a big If, the Poo 650 will still have the hp advantage. Go ahead and spin that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnstang Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 I was expecting it to be quite a bit lighter! Scale weight is definitely not everything and being more compact and centralized will make it feel lighter than it is which is the most important, but I was still expecting it to be lighter. I thought the rxc procross was around the 480 mark iirc. Slight disappointment with the scale weight. I also thought it was weird that people were saying the final version would be lighter than the pre production.. I figured it'd be the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Tripleflipper said: Even if Cat has the weight advantage, a big If, the Poo 650 will still have the hp advantage. Go ahead and spin that. I rode them both. Back to back. Cat has the much better motor and overall sled. Poo needs the extra 50 cc"s to compete. Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 1 hour ago, ZR6000RR said: I rode them both. Back to back. Cat has the much better motor and overall sled. Poo needs the extra 50 cc"s to compete. Sad. Lol. Even if it wasn't the case you'd say that. 1 hour ago, mnstang said: I was expecting it to be quite a bit lighter! Scale weight is definitely not everything and being more compact and centralized will make it feel lighter than it is which is the most important, but I was still expecting it to be lighter. I thought the rxc procross was around the 480 mark iirc. Slight disappointment with the scale weight. I also thought it was weird that people were saying the final version would be lighter than the pre production.. I figured it'd be the other way around. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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