Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 15, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, f7ben said: A turbocharger that forces zero additional air into the motor is nothing more than a muffler. What skidoo did is called turbo normalized and only a complete faggot ass company would do such a thing. Turbo normalizer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: I forget what the rear suspension was called, mine had 1 shock, and they later added a second one. But mine barely moved, rode like a brick. You're acting like Neal. They did it for the mountain segment and it was the first production turbocharged 2 stroke. I'd like to toss a brick through Ski Doos front window for some other reasons, but not that. It is not turbocharged , that is a term that has a definition. It is turbo normalized meaning it never delivers more than 1 atmosphere of pressure or 1 bar into the engine. Turbocharged means air content above one atmosphere Edited February 15, 2023 by f7ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Cat had a 91 or 92 Wilcat Efi and I believe was already awarded the patent. Think Poo had to pay them royalties. If I remember correctly didn't a guy try selling his design to Poo first and they passed but copied it and he sold the patent to Cat? Then Poo lost the lawsuit?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Turbo normalizer. I know , who the fuck would take the time to do all that work and then deliver a sled with no additional power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 15, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Steve753 said: 97 for cat. Wrong. In the old chassis in 92 and new without the handlebar pod in 93. https://www.arcticchat.com/threads/my-find-arctic-cat-wildcat-700-efi-1992.341287/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted February 15, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, HSR said: If I remember correctly didn't a guy try selling his design to Poo first and they passed but copied it and he sold the patent to Cat? Then Poo lost the lawsuit?? Poo had the first battery less. Cats had a battery. I googled it!!! 97 for battery less for cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted February 15, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, Highmark said: Wrong. In the old chassis in 92 and new without the handlebar pod in 93. https://www.arcticchat.com/threads/my-find-arctic-cat-wildcat-700-efi-1992.341287/ 97 for battery less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 15, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Steve753 said: Poo had the first battery less. Cats had a battery. I googled it!!! 97 for battery less for cat. That might be true but cat had an efi in 92. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted February 15, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Highmark said: That might be true but cat had an efi in 92. Polaris had it in 91. Correct me if I'm wrong. 91 was before 92 wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, f7ben said: I know , who the fuck would take the time to do all that work and then deliver a sled with no additional power So a Polaris NA loses 20% of its power at altitude and the Doo loses 0. Thats who the fuck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwhite138 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Polaris had it in 91. Correct me if I'm wrong. 91 was before 92 wasn't it? There was a 91 wildcat efi 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: So a Polaris NA loses 20% of its power at altitude and the Doo loses 0. Thats who the fuck Or the Polaris boost is 11% more power than the N.A. version at elevation and the faggot ass skidoo is 0% more power at elevation than the N.A. does at sea level Edited February 15, 2023 by f7ben 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 15, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, Steve753 said: Polaris had it in 91. Correct me if I'm wrong. 91 was before 92 wasn't it? Yes but infringed on Cat so..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted February 15, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, Cwhite138 said: There was a 91 wildcat efi Yep. https://www.babbittsonline.com/oemparts/c/arctic_cat_snowmobile_1991/parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Man Gets $57 Million in Invention Lawsuit L.A. TIMES ARCHIVES APRIL 27, 1997 12 AM PT Facebook Twitter Show more sharing options FROM TIMES STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS A mechanic who came up with an idea for a snowmobile fuel-injection system won a $57-million court award against companies he sued for stealing his invention. The federal jury ruling came after nine years of legal battles between Ron Chasteen and snowmobile maker Polaris Industries of Minneapolis and supplier Fuji Heavy Industries of Tokyo. At issue was a fuel-injection system for two-stroke snowmobile engines. The jury awarded $24 million in compensatory damages against Polaris, plus $10 million in punitive damages. Fuji was assessed $15 million in compensatory damages and $8 million in exemplary damages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.A. TIMES ARCHIVES APRIL 27, 1997 12 AM PT Facebook Twitter Show more sharing options FROM TIMES STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS A mechanic who came up with an idea for a snowmobile fuel-injection system won a $57-million court award against companies he sued for stealing his invention. The federal jury ruling came after nine years of legal battles between Ron Chasteen and snowmobile maker Polaris Industries of Minneapolis and supplier Fuji Heavy Industries of Tokyo. At issue was a fuel-injection system for two-stroke snowmobile engines. The jury awarded $24 million in compensatory damages against Polaris, plus $10 million in punitive damages. Fuji was assessed $15 million in compensatory damages and $8 million in exemplary damages.
Cwhite138 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, Highmark said: Yep. https://www.babbittsonline.com/oemparts/c/arctic_cat_snowmobile_1991/parts They are kinda neat.. 700 in the old chassis. If memory serves me correctly. Seen one for sale the other day thought it was a swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 So in reality neither Cat nor Poo developed the first EFI sled,, one bought the tech and one stole it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted February 15, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, HSR said: So in reality neither Cat nor Poo developed the first EFI sled,, one bought the tech and one stole it. It's weird when you Google first oem efi snowmobile, cat isn't mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Steve753 said: It's weird when you Google first oem efi snowmobile, cat isn't mentioned. Actually it's weird we're talking about it in a new tech thread Let's let the boost / not boost talk take over , could be good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Skidoo had it in 93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 hour ago, stinkipinki said: Which part? Doo still running trailing arm in 02 when Cat has wishbone in 95? Or Cat having an 800 EFI (ZR 800 EFI) years before Doo had SDI (04/05 SDI)? Doo is a nice all around average machine. True 20 years ago, true today. If Cat is the leader what have they brought in the past 7 years. That is what is relevant now. All they've brought they copied. Not a leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 51 minutes ago, f7ben said: Or the Polaris boost is 11% more power than the N.A. version at elevation and the faggot ass skidoo is 0% more power at elevation than the N.A. does at sea level I'm aware. The question was who came out with the production turbocharged 2 stroke. And that would be Ski Doo. And their new turbo makes 180 hp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, DriftBusta said: I'm aware. The question was who came out with the production turbocharged 2 stroke. And that would be Ski Doo. And their new turbo makes 180 hp. And that would be incorrect because skidoos sled is not turbocharged , it is turbo normalized which is entirely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Steve753 Posted February 16, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 16, 2023 12 minutes ago, Deephaven said: If Cat is the leader what have they brought in the past 7 years. That is what is relevant now. All they've brought they copied. Not a leader. Mono rail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkipinki Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, Deephaven said: If Cat is the leader what have they brought in the past 7 years. That is what is relevant now. All they've brought they copied. Not a leader. Alpha Suspension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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