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https://snowgoer.com/news/cat-unveils-new-catalyst-chassis-for-2024-kind-of/31001/

 

 

how much actual chassis was changed? IDK the RXC looks good though, I dig it.  edit: 137" ?  hmmmm... 

pile on boys, this isn't the brand specific safe space... and don't forget to in on one. 

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3 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

any word on a 4S Catalyst yet @krom ?  or will they try to get another decade out of the procross... 9_9

 

What does it matter? You will never upgrade. Three year extended contract on the Yami engines. 120 is Dead.

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Still waiting on the new dirt and snow 4 strokes we've been hearing will be out "next year" for 3 or 4 years, I've lost track of how long ago I was told we'd see a prowler pro with 20 more hp.  

Poo has turned into a massive company by constantly releasing new dirt products, and expanding their offerings.  Just look at all the new and refreshed machines that they have released since 2016.

I've watched can-am go from having a few weird machines with a step through frame and body between the seat and bars that you almost couldn't give away, to being massive with huge sales numbers and a gigantic line up.

While Textron has continually shrunk the offerings of the AC dirt lineup.


@ZR6000RR since you're a super extra special insider, why don't you tell us whats going on with the 2025 offroad lineup that was supposed to be released 3 months ago?

For 2024:

Sport SXS:
wildcat XX

Utility SXS:
prowler pro, prowler pro crew

Utility/youth atv:
kymco 90, 300
Altera 600
Altera 600 TRV
I didn't list the mud pro separate because its the same chassis/plastic with some add ons.

 

In 2016 AC had:
Sport SXS:
wildcat x, wildcat trail, wildcat sport

Utility SXS:
prowler 550, 700, 1000, prowler HDX (500, 700)

"sport" ATV:
kymco 450

Utility/youth atv:
kymco 90, 150, 300, 400, 450, 500,
Alterra 500 (trf built kymco engine) 550, 700
Old chassis 1000 XT, Mudpro (700, 1000), TRV 700, TBX 700

 

If they've extended the yami contract, its because textron doesn't want to spend any money on the new engines.

 

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7 minutes ago, krom said:

Still waiting on the new dirt and snow 4 strokes we've been hearing will be out "next year" for 3 or 4 years, I've lost track of how long ago I was told we'd see a prowler pro with 20 more hp.  

Poo has turned into a massive company by constantly releasing new dirt products, and expanding their offerings.  Just look at all the new and refreshed machines that they have released since 2016.

I've watched can-am go from having a few weird machines with a step through frame and body between the seat and bars that you almost couldn't give away, to being massive with huge sales numbers and a gigantic line up.

While Textron has continually shrunk the offerings of the AC dirt lineup.


@ZR6000RR since you're a super extra special insider, why don't you tell us whats going on with the 2025 offroad lineup that was supposed to be released 3 months ago?

For 2024:

Sport SXS:
wildcat XX

Utility SXS:
prowler pro, prowler pro crew

Utility/youth atv:
kymco 90, 300
Altera 600
Altera 600 TRV
I didn't list the mud pro separate because its the same chassis/plastic with some add ons.

 

In 2016 AC had:
Sport SXS:
wildcat x, wildcat trail, wildcat sport

Utility SXS:
prowler 550, 700, 1000, prowler HDX (500, 700)

"sport" ATV:
kymco 450

Utility/youth atv:
kymco 90, 150, 300, 400, 450, 500,
Alterra 500 (trf built kymco engine) 550, 700
Old chassis 1000 XT, Mudpro (700, 1000), TRV 700, TBX 700

 

If they've extended the yami contract, its because textron doesn't want to spend any money on the new engines.

 

It is a good thing that Textron killed the dirt group out of St. Cloud by telling them to either move to Georgia or GTFO.

A lot of those guys left the industry or went to Polaris.  Only 1 moved to Georgia.

On 10/11/2024 at 12:16 PM, Not greg b said:

30/58 is what the international model is using 

I also see that the 858 version is using 9t drivers vs. 8t on last year's 600 models with that gearing.  If these things can use the shift, there is plenty of room to clang the c note.

45 minutes ago, favoritos said:

I also see that the 858 version is using 9t drivers vs. 8t on last year's 600 models with that gearing.  If these things can use the shift, there is plenty of room to clang the c note.

I have been tempted to re gear mine but it is expensive to do. Mine has the 9 tooths in it. 

Ooffda, I just checked.  I didn't realize the price on the bottom gear. 

Seems silly to complain about the costs with this stuff, but they keep adding up if we want to try new tricks.

2 hours ago, krom said:

Still waiting on the new dirt and snow 4 strokes we've been hearing will be out "next year" for 3 or 4 years, I've lost track of how long ago I was told we'd see a prowler pro with 20 more hp.  

Poo has turned into a massive company by constantly releasing new dirt products, and expanding their offerings.  Just look at all the new and refreshed machines that they have released since 2016.

I've watched can-am go from having a few weird machines with a step through frame and body between the seat and bars that you almost couldn't give away, to being massive with huge sales numbers and a gigantic line up.

While Textron has continually shrunk the offerings of the AC dirt lineup.


@ZR6000RR since you're a super extra special insider, why don't you tell us whats going on with the 2025 offroad lineup that was supposed to be released 3 months ago?

For 2024:

Sport SXS:
wildcat XX

Utility SXS:
prowler pro, prowler pro crew

Utility/youth atv:
kymco 90, 300
Altera 600
Altera 600 TRV
I didn't list the mud pro separate because its the same chassis/plastic with some add ons.

 

In 2016 AC had:
Sport SXS:
wildcat x, wildcat trail, wildcat sport

Utility SXS:
prowler 550, 700, 1000, prowler HDX (500, 700)

"sport" ATV:
kymco 450

Utility/youth atv:
kymco 90, 150, 300, 400, 450, 500,
Alterra 500 (trf built kymco engine) 550, 700
Old chassis 1000 XT, Mudpro (700, 1000), TRV 700, TBX 700

 

If they've extended the yami contract, its because textron doesn't want to spend any money on the new engines.

 

Krom on the interweb again bitching about the brand he sells parts for at work. Being a solid #3 in sales gives him plenty of time to be online with business being slow as fuck. Pretty hard to sell snowmobiles when you don’t get any snow.:lol2:

6 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said:

any word on a 4S Catalyst yet @krom ?  or will they try to get another decade out of the procross... 9_9

 

I was at the #1 cat dealership yesterday and asked about four stroke catalyst as we were standing there looking at a beautiful 25 tcat and a beautiful 25 catalyst.  No news on four stroke catalyst.

3 hours ago, mnstang said:

I was at the #1 cat dealership yesterday and asked about four stroke catalyst as we were standing there looking at a beautiful 25 tcat and a beautiful 25 catalyst.  No news on four stroke catalyst.

The 998 doesn’t fit in the Catalyst dumbass. :lol2::smack::idiot:

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6 hours ago, mnstang said:

I was at the #1 cat dealership yesterday and asked about four stroke catalyst as we were standing there looking at a beautiful 25 tcat and a beautiful 25 catalyst.  No news on four stroke catalyst.

hopefully too many people won't be disappointed when they find out it doesn't make as much hp as the 998.  The lighter weight should make up the difference.

1 hour ago, krom said:

hopefully too many people won't be disappointed when they find out it doesn't make as much hp as the 998.  The lighter weight should make up the difference.

I was told it is the 140hp Polaris pro star engine out of the sxs. Mother text chose it to save on shipping costs as they can send the janitor over with a pick up and haul enough engines back to do the full production run in one load 

2 hours ago, krom said:

hopefully too many people won't be disappointed when they find out it doesn't make as much hp as the 998.  The lighter weight should make up the difference.

Imo, they'd be better to stick with the procross for the four stroke sled.  Not only does it physically fit but they fit each other in terms of their nature and what they're both good at.  Putting a 4 stroke in a catalyst just seems dumb and I can already hear the complaints from the four stroke crowd about the seat, wind protection and anything else.  Catalyst is not a touring sled, four stroke snowmobile motors are touring motors.  Bad fit.

Honestly they should just reincarnate the twin spar and make the z1 turbo again.  That was the best hyper touring sled.  Way better than the procross turbo.

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The procross isn't good for shit compared to any other modern sled.

1 hour ago, mnstang said:

Imo, they'd be better to stick with the procross for the four stroke sled.  Not only does it physically fit but they fit each other in terms of their nature and what they're both good at.  Putting a 4 stroke in a catalyst just seems dumb and I can already hear the complaints from the four stroke crowd about the seat, wind protection and anything else.  Catalyst is not a touring sled, four stroke snowmobile motors are touring motors.  Bad fit.

Honestly they should just reincarnate the twin spar and make the z1 turbo again.  That was the best hyper touring sled.  Way better than the procross turbo.

I have heard there is/was a sister chassis developed along side the catalyst specifically for the 4 stroke and it will have a different name. The catalyst will be the 2 stroke and whatever the other contraption is will be the 4 stroke. How true that is, who knows? 

32 minutes ago, Not greg b said:

I have heard there is/was a sister chassis developed along side the catalyst specifically for the 4 stroke and it will have a different name. The catalyst will be the 2 stroke and whatever the other contraption is will be the 4 stroke. How true that is, who knows? 

The 998 fits in just fine. The plastic? Needs to change. Seen the proto last year.

17 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said:

The 998 fits in just fine. The plastic? Needs to change. Seen the proto last year.

Not possible. The mighty Krom stated it doesn’t exist. You must’ve dreamed it and are confusing that with reality.

24 minutes ago, AK440 said:

Not possible. The mighty Krom stated it doesn’t exist. You must’ve dreamed it and are confusing that with reality.

Well, he works for Sun n Snow in New York. I'm 60 miles from the factory. 

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9 hours ago, Not greg b said:

I have heard there is/was a sister chassis developed along side the catalyst specifically for the 4 stroke and it will have a different name. The catalyst will be the 2 stroke and whatever the other contraption is will be the 4 stroke. How true that is, who knows? 

BRP figured out how to have two similar lightweight chassis for their 2 & 4s sleds.  Maybe Cat can copy the idea... like the pyramid.   :)

 

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10 hours ago, mnstang said:

Imo, they'd be better to stick with the procross for the four stroke sled.  Not only does it physically fit but they fit each other in terms of their nature and what they're both good at.  Putting a 4 stroke in a catalyst just seems dumb and I can already hear the complaints from the four stroke crowd about the seat, wind protection and anything else.  Catalyst is not a touring sled, four stroke snowmobile motors are touring motors.  Bad fit.

Honestly they should just reincarnate the twin spar and make the z1 turbo again.  That was the best hyper touring sled.  Way better than the procross turbo.

Doo 900T sales keep increasing, while procross 998 sales keep declining. 
True or not the average sledder sees the 998 as heavy, and lets be honest the procross is definitely outdated.  To make matters worse textron has refused to address any of the common complaints (a simple different seat foam/cover would drastically help ergo's, and the rear skid is about a decade over due for replacement).

Don't forget the catalyst was originally scheduled for release 5+ years ago.

Those are the reasons Yami decided to dump textron and leave the market (One of the times the head of Yami asked why the new sled was taking so long, Heidi told him if he wanted a new sled, they should develop one themselves)

BTW cat had filed patent applications for a new skid, a Direct injected 2 stroke, a turbo 2 stroke, and several others before textron.  Many of the folks involved in those patents have been fired, and they refuse to spend any money bringing them to market.

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7 minutes ago, krom said:

Doo 900T sales keep increasing, while procross 998 sales keep declining. 
True or not the average sledder sees the 998 as heavy, and lets be honest the procross is definitely outdated.  To make matters worse textron has refused to address any of the common complaints (a simple different seat foam/cover would drastically help ergo's, and the rear skid is about a decade over due for replacement).

Don't forget the catalyst was originally scheduled for release 5+ years ago.

Those are the reasons Yami decided to dump textron and leave the market (One of the times the head of Yami asked why the new sled was taking so long, Heidi told him if he wanted a new sled, they should develop one themselves)

BTW cat had filed patent applications for a new skid, a Direct injected 2 stroke, a turbo 2 stroke, and several others before textron.  Many of the folks involved in those patents have been fired, and they refuse to spend any money bringing them to market.

two guys I ride with have 900T's with zero complaints.  I've ridden them, they're not my cup of tea but neither of them even were remotely interested in the Cat or Yamaha offerings.  they're so far behind in the game it's not even funny.  there's also a growing segment of riders (older) who just don't want to fuck around with 2S's any longer.  

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The ergos on the procross feel 20 years old...in particular if you aren't a midget.

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11 hours ago, Deephaven said:

The procross isn't good for shit compared to any other modern sled.

Winningest sled platform in race history though so, might be good for racing?

19 minutes ago, Deephaven said:

The ergos on the procross feel 20 years old...in particular if you aren't a midget.

What do 20 year old ergos feel like?  A bar with heated grips and bent knees?  The sled was built and designed for average sized aggressive riders.  Not giraffes.

2 hours ago, krom said:

Doo 900T sales keep increasing, while procross 998 sales keep declining. 
True or not the average sledder sees the 998 as heavy, and lets be honest the procross is definitely outdated.  To make matters worse textron has refused to address any of the common complaints (a simple different seat foam/cover would drastically help ergo's, and the rear skid is about a decade over due for replacement).

Don't forget the catalyst was originally scheduled for release 5+ years ago.

Those are the reasons Yami decided to dump textron and leave the market (One of the times the head of Yami asked why the new sled was taking so long, Heidi told him if he wanted a new sled, they should develop one themselves)

BTW cat had filed patent applications for a new skid, a Direct injected 2 stroke, a turbo 2 stroke, and several others before textron.  Many of the folks involved in those patents have been fired, and they refuse to spend any money bringing them to market.

There is no settled science on the personal preference of snowmobiles.  There is no one snowmobile that will please everyone.  I saw plenty of complaints last year about the catalyst seat, both being too firm and too small.  Also wondering protection which is because of the small size.  Many people like those things about the catalyst but many people do not.  Neither are "wrong", as much as haters here would like to think.  I don't know what it is about some of you guys, if a machine doesn't appeal directly to YOU, you write it off and call it junk and a waste.  That's weird, is that narcissism or something else idk.

Four stroke crowd are generally going to be less aggressive, older, or for bigger/wider/faster trails.  My opinion is that the procross would be a better match for these people vs the catalyst.

 

Many of those patents you listed were filed under the Textron years.  Many things get patented and never make it to market, that's nothing new or cause of alarm.

You are also misleading when you talk about catalyst being ready for 5 years.  No, it wasn't.  They didn't even have a motor for it.  Listen to any podcast of cat employees and the testing and r&d they were doing right up till the end.  Was there a concept of a new chassis, sure I'd believe that, just like there's a concept right now of the next chassis post catalyst, probably multiple concepts.  All these ex cat employees doing the podcast rounds, none of them talk about developing the catalyst.  None.   First off it started as a mountain sled and those guys weren't riding it or developing it that long.  There's always drawings and concepts.

Funny that you guys (not you specifically) are the ones talking about glasses.  Textron derangement is way more severe than even Trump derangement.  Both very toxic though.  Glasses are clouded by hate and you will find the negative twist in any and every situation, it's very quite similar to the original TDS.

Example, claim catalyst was developed by "old guard" (lol) cat.  Any issues with the catalyst---TEXTRON ATE OUR BABIES ARRRRGGGGHHHH

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32 minutes ago, mnstang said:

There is no settled science on the personal preference of snowmobiles.  There is no one snowmobile that will please everyone.  I saw plenty of complaints last year about the catalyst seat, both being too firm and too small.  Also wondering protection which is because of the small size.  Many people like those things about the catalyst but many people do not.  Neither are "wrong", as much as haters here would like to think.  I don't know what it is about some of you guys, if a machine doesn't appeal directly to YOU, you write it off and call it junk and a waste.  That's weird, is that narcissism or something else idk.

Four stroke crowd are generally going to be less aggressive, older, or for bigger/wider/faster trails.  My opinion is that the procross would be a better match for these people vs the catalyst.

 

Many of those patents you listed were filed under the Textron years.  Many things get patented and never make it to market, that's nothing new or cause of alarm.

You are also misleading when you talk about catalyst being ready for 5 years.  No, it wasn't.  They didn't even have a motor for it.  Listen to any podcast of cat employees and the testing and r&d they were doing right up till the end.  Was there a concept of a new chassis, sure I'd believe that, just like there's a concept right now of the next chassis post catalyst, probably multiple concepts.  All these ex cat employees doing the podcast rounds, none of them talk about developing the catalyst.  None.   First off it started as a mountain sled and those guys weren't riding it or developing it that long.  There's always drawings and concepts.

Funny that you guys (not you specifically) are the ones talking about glasses.  Textron derangement is way more severe than even Trump derangement.  Both very toxic though.  Glasses are clouded by hate and you will find the negative twist in any and every situation, it's very quite similar to the original TDS.

Example, claim catalyst was developed by "old guard" (lol) cat.  Any issues with the catalyst---TEXTRON ATE OUR BABIES ARRRRGGGGHHHH

It'd honestly be hard to find any other motor"sport" where the consumers are so god damn finicky.  It's really no wonder that manus want to build these machines anymore.

MotorSPORT!  This isn't a fucking transportation device.  If the seat firmness/softness doesn't work, fix it...It's foam!  Of you don't like the ride, those are $3k shocks..learn how they work!  If it's too "darty", it's an advanced suspension system...look at the fucking manual!!!!  Or, really, just quit crying and go get in your god damn car to get to the bar and pickle your fat ass.

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for $13-23K a pop they should be absolutely f'ng perfect in every possible regard... go 150mph and get 24mpg.

you guys do realize there's a f'load of people out there that buy these things that know Jack Squat about em... right?  

add gas, possibly 2S oil and pin the flipper straight to the g'damn handlebar.   

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