Zambroski Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, SVT MXZ XRS said: Powder coating black? Black, yes. Not powder coating. Just gonna rough up, prime and paint with rattle can auto paint. Works like a charm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted September 6, 2019 Author Share Posted September 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Black, yes. Not powder coating. Just gonna rough up, prime and paint with rattle can auto paint. Works like a charm! Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Black, yes. Not powder coating. Just gonna rough up, prime and paint with rattle can auto paint. Works like a charm! You've got it apart, you've got PLENTY of time. Don't be a cheap fuckin kike. Take them in and get them done right, faggot Edited September 6, 2019 by SVT MXZ XRS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, SVT MXZ XRS said: You've got it apart, you've got PLENTY of time. Don't be a cheap fuckin kike. Take them in and get them done right, faggot They’ll be done right. There’s no reason at all to powder coat some of this stuff. Never really understood why people got into that mind set. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, Zambroski said: They’ll be done right. There’s no reason at all to powder coat some of this stuff. Never really understood why people got into that mind set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Not sled related, but I picked these up down near Columbus last Friday for the new truck for winter tires. Dropped them off at powder coater today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted September 6, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 minute ago, SVT MXZ XRS said: Not sled related, but I picked these up down near Columbus last Friday for the new truck for winter tires. Dropped them off at powder coater today. What size track do those go on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Rigid1 said: What size track do those go on? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev144 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, SVT MXZ XRS said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 8 hours ago, Kev144 said: Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Hey @SVT MXZ XRS properly prepped, primed and 3 coats of automotive semi-gloss enamel. Guaranteed they’ll hold up just fine. Only if I was beating brush all day would I consider powder coating. It’s just not necessary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 30 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Hey @SVT MXZ XRS properly prepped, primed and 3 coats of automotive semi-gloss enamel. Guaranteed they’ll hold up just fine. Only if I was beating brush all day would I consider powder coating. It’s just not necessary. Fuck thats all I would do, maybe throw some clear on top. Ive got scratches and shit all over my powder coated rails, spindles and bumper. That powder coat doesnt hold up for shit either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Anler said: Fuck thats all I would do, maybe throw some clear on top. Ive got scratches and shit all over my powder coated rails, spindles and bumper. That powder coat doesnt hold up for shit either Years ago we had a big “to-do” over this “paint vs. PC” on HCS. To my knowledge, absolutely NOTHING comes from the OEM’s powder coated. It’s all painted. And even then, I’m relatively sure it’s just one stage paint. PC has its advantages but, so does paint. Both have disadvantages also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Years ago we had a big “to-do” over this “paint vs. PC” on HCS. To my knowledge, absolutely NOTHING comes from the OEM’s powder coated. It’s all painted. And even then, I’m relatively sure it’s just one stage paint. PC has its advantages but, so does paint. Both have disadvantages also. Wrong, it's all powder coated. Their prep process and powder coat is a way better coating than anything you can do with a rattle can in your driveway. Now will your spray paint hold up to trail riding and minimal salt exposure? Certainly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, teamgreen02 said: Wrong, it's all powder coated. Their prep process and powder coat is a way better coating than anything you can do with a rattle can in your driveway. Now will your spray paint hold up to trail riding and minimal salt exposure? Certainly. Wrong. Some parts may be PC but the majority is painted. “Electronic coating” isn’t PC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: Wrong. Some parts may be PC but the majority is painted. “Electronic coating” isn’t PC. Electronic coating (e-coating) with the 7 step rinse process they talk about is actually a dipping process. E-coating is typically used on steel either as a prep process for topcoating (epoxy based) or as the finished coating (acrylic based). Epoxy based won't hold up to UV exposure. You can have any color you want as long as it is black! They are probably sending everything down their e-coating line as a prep for power coating. Edit, just skipping the actual e-coat dipping step. I didn't see any liquid paint lines in the video. Everything was powder coated. Here is yet another video with powder coating. Edited September 11, 2019 by teamgreen02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Zambroski said: Hey @SVT MXZ XRS properly prepped, primed and 3 coats of automotive semi-gloss enamel. Guaranteed they’ll hold up just fine. Only if I was beating brush all day would I consider powder coating. It’s just not necessary. 1 hour ago, Anler said: Fuck thats all I would do, maybe throw some clear on top. Ive got scratches and shit all over my powder coated rails, spindles and bumper. That powder coat doesnt hold up for shit either 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: Years ago we had a big “to-do” over this “paint vs. PC” on HCS. To my knowledge, absolutely NOTHING comes from the OEM’s powder coated. It’s all painted. And even then, I’m relatively sure it’s just one stage paint. PC has its advantages but, so does paint. Both have disadvantages also. 1 hour ago, teamgreen02 said: Wrong, it's all powder coated. Their prep process and powder coat is a way better coating than anything you can do with a rattle can in your driveway. Now will your spray paint hold up to trail riding and minimal salt exposure? Certainly. Those 2 faggots above are a couple of nigger hacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 35 minutes ago, teamgreen02 said: Electronic coating (e-coating) with the 7 step rinse process they talk about is actually a dipping process. E-coating is typically used on steel either as a prep process for topcoating (epoxy based) or as the finished coating (acrylic based). Epoxy based won't hold up to UV exposure. You can have any color you want as long as it is black! They are probably sending everything down their e-coating line as a prep for power coating. Edit, just skipping the actual e-coat dipping step. I didn't see any liquid paint lines in the video. Everything was powder coated. Here is yet another video with powder coating. Still just painted. The process is state of the art but nothing is actually “powder coated”...meaning baked at high temps after electromagnetically sprayed. I just sanded my spindles and bumper. It’s paint. Now, for sure, what I did is not as durable as what was done for the factory or, if it were powder coated but, it holds up fantastic and if I ever goof it up, some light sanding with 800 grit and a quick touch up spray spray and BAM! Like new again. Something else people don’t take into account when getting all PC happy for their trailer queen sled is, when you heat some of these parts, especially aluminum, there is a prolonged heat cycle and cooling process to keep the metal molecules from getting funked. The aluminum spindles alone should go through about a 20 hour process...not stuck in a fucking oven for an hour by Billy Joe Smugget in his back yard. Point: A good prep and quality auto primer and paint will look and work great unless you are bouncing through the twigs and rocks all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Still just painted. The process is state of the art but nothing is actually “powder coated”...meaning baked at high temps after electromagnetically sprayed. I just sanded my spindles and bumper. It’s paint. Now, for sure, what I did is not as durable as what was done for the factory or, if it were powder coated but, it holds up fantastic and if I ever goof it up, some light sanding with 800 grit and a quick touch up spray spray and BAM! Like new again. Something else people don’t take into account when getting all PC happy for their trailer queen sled is, when you heat some of these parts, especially aluminum, there is a prolonged heat cycle and cooling process to keep the metal molecules from getting funked. The aluminum spindles alone should go through about a 20 hour process...not stuck in a fucking oven for an hour by Billy Joe Smugget in his back yard. Point: A good prep and quality auto primer and paint will look and work great unless you are bouncing through the twigs and rocks all season. the temps they use in a powder coat over aren't hurting aluminum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snatchslayer Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 I use to powder coat . Did a fuck load of sled parts and rims on the side. Shit will hold up better than paint if its done correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, SVT MXZ XRS said: the temps they use in a powder coat over aren't hurting aluminum If you say so. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 52 minutes ago, teamgreen02 said: Electronic coating (e-coating) with the 7 step rinse process they talk about is actually a dipping process. E-coating is typically used on steel either as a prep process for topcoating (epoxy based) or as the finished coating (acrylic based). Epoxy based won't hold up to UV exposure. You can have any color you want as long as it is black! They are probably sending everything down their e-coating line as a prep for power coating. Edit, just skipping the actual e-coat dipping step. I didn't see any liquid paint lines in the video. Everything was powder coated. Here is yet another video with powder coating. That is a cool video. I like watching how things are made. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, AKIQPilot said: That is a cool video. I like watching how things are made. Just wait until you see all the liquid paint spray booths they have hidden! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Still just painted. The process is state of the art but nothing is actually “powder coated”...meaning baked at high temps after electromagnetically sprayed. I just sanded my spindles and bumper. It’s paint. Now, for sure, what I did is not as durable as what was done for the factory or, if it were powder coated but, it holds up fantastic and if I ever goof it up, some light sanding with 800 grit and a quick touch up spray spray and BAM! Like new again. Something else people don’t take into account when getting all PC happy for their trailer queen sled is, when you heat some of these parts, especially aluminum, there is a prolonged heat cycle and cooling process to keep the metal molecules from getting funked. The aluminum spindles alone should go through about a 20 hour process...not stuck in a fucking oven for an hour by Billy Joe Smugget in his back yard. Point: A good prep and quality auto primer and paint will look and work great unless you are bouncing through the twigs and rocks all season. Now you are just trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamgreen02 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, SVT MXZ XRS said: the temps they use in a powder coat over aren't hurting aluminum Correct. 10-15 minutes in the powder oven at a couple hundred degrees isn't doing anything to aluminum. HEAT TREATING HEAT TREATMENT Solution heat treat at 990°F for adequate time to allow for thorough heating and then water quenched. Precipitation hardening is done at 320°F for 18 hours and air cool, followed by 350°F for 8 hours and air cooled. ANNEALING Annealing should be done at 775°F for at 2 to 3 hours at temperature, followed by controlled cooling at 50°F per hour down to 500°F then air cooled. AGING The aging precipitation heat treatment is done at 350°F for 8 hours followed by air cooling. This produces the T6 temper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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