Tomas. Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 19 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: There was a lot of grit in the lower spring cup area in that one picture. That all needs to be cleaned out. You need to finish taking the secondary apart. You will need a secondary disassembly tool to get the snap ring off and the spring apart. You need to clean all that junk out from under and around the spring cum. When you reassemble the spring you need to run 3 derlin washers. One under the cup, one in the cup and one on the roller end under the spring. Once you finish disassembling the secondary you need to inspect the brass bushing in the moving sheave. Look for any wear on the bushing and any wear on the shaft. Also look for wear on the Helix bushing. Everything in your pictures looks good except all the debris in 3rd and 4th picture you posted. That is excessive and indicates some worn parts. Ya the debris looked like coating flake. To me from the rollers. I have since blown all the crap out of there. I work at a metal fabrication shop. I will see if there is any scrap lying around I can make a clutch pressure out of today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tomas. said: Ya the debris looked like coating flake. To me from the rollers. I have since blown all the crap out of there. I work at a metal fabrication shop. I will see if there is any scrap lying around I can make a clutch pressure out of today. Yes, the debris is from the rollers. This is what a secondary clutch tool looks like. It would be very easy to make one. You need to take the secondary the rest of the way apart. You need the derlin washer kit. This may not be the problem with your clutches but you need to go ahead and finish this job so you know everything is correct. Then move to the Primary and complete the tear down and inspection of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 I got clutch tools with one of the sleds I bought god knows when. They come in super handy all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas. Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I have it apart the rest of the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas. Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 What do I clean everything with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas. Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 42 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Yes, the debris is from the rollers. This is what a secondary clutch tool looks like. It would be very easy to make one. You need to take the secondary the rest of the way apart. You need the derlin washer kit. This may not be the problem with your clutches but you need to go ahead and finish this job so you know everything is correct. Then move to the Primary and complete the tear down and inspection of it. Is the delrin washer kit a Polaris item? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted February 1, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 1, 2019 Props to Tomas for just diving into this shit without ever having done it before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted February 1, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 1, 2019 Just now, Tomas. said: What do I clean everything with? scotchbrite pad, brass brush, emory cloth on the grungy spots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas. Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Rigid1 said: scotchbrite pad, brass brush, emory cloth on the grungy spots Ok. Is there any solvents I should stay away from the get rid of the belt material all over the sheaves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted February 1, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) Just now, Tomas. said: Ok. Is there any solvents I should stay away from the get rid of the belt material all over the sheaves? I always just run the sled and hold a scotchbrite pad on the sheaves as they spin on the primary, (watch your fingers and loose clothing) I use 3m brake cleaner to clean the belt dust off the clutches.. Obviously You dont want to use anything on the sheaves that will leave an oily residue.. Edited February 1, 2019 by Rigid1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas. Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: I always just run the sled and hold a scotchbrite pad on the sheaves as they spin on the primary, (watch your fingers and loose clothing) I use 3m brake cleaner to clean the belt dust off the clutches.. Obviously You dont want to use anything on the sheaves that will leave an oily residue.. It is the get rid of this crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted February 1, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 1, 2019 Just now, Tomas. said: It is the get rid of this crap yup, brake clean will blast it right off and be totally dry in a few seconds, leaves no residue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted February 1, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Props to Tomas for just diving into this shit without ever having done it before. I agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas. Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) Well the delrin washers are not a dealer item. I found a local small shop that had 2 loose ones. So I am going to take the better one of the two that came out of my clutch and use it with the two new ones. I used some spray 9 and a brush. Maybe I will hit it with some brake clean to make sure there is no residue. Edited February 1, 2019 by Tomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas. Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 46 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Props to Tomas for just diving into this shit without ever having done it before. Thank you lol. I am a 4th year millwright so I would be embarrassed to take it to a shop. I am a little gun shy as I don't like breaking shit. Especially when it is on my dime lmao. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 50 minutes ago, Tomas. said: What do I clean everything with? Those 3 pictures are part of your problem. You need to get all that roller dust off the shaft and you need to polish up the bushing on the movable sheave and the helix so they are as smooth as possible. You can use red 7447 scotch brite pads or some machinist cloth to remove all that build-up. The derlin washers are not polaris parts but any polaris dealer should carry them. You can order them for about $10usd. IF you have to order the derlins just put the clutch back togther and run it without them. Once the derlins arrive it will be a 10 minute job to pop the clutch off and apart and install the washers. There are dozens of places to buy a set of Derlin washers. https://goodwinperformance.com/product/delrin-washer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted February 1, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 1, 2019 Just now, Tomas. said: Well the delrin washers are not a dealer item. I found a local small shop that had 2 loose ones. So I am going to take the better one of the two that came out of my clutch and use it with the two new ones. I used some spray 9 and a brush. Maybe I will hit it with some brake clean to make sure there is no residue. looks great bud!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 So if you have 2 used Derlin washers put 1 under the spring cup and 1 in the spring cup. Even if they aren't perfect they are better than nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Tomas. said: Well the delrin washers are not a dealer item. I found a local small shop that had 2 loose ones. So I am going to take the better one of the two that came out of my clutch and use it with the two new ones. I used some spray 9 and a brush. Maybe I will hit it with some brake clean to make sure there is no residue. Yea, that looks great. Just make sure you get the shaft and bushings all cleaned up good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas. Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Yea, that looks great. Just make sure you get the shaft and bushings all cleaned up good. There will be two new washers and one used. Where do I put the third one? Also it looks like by belt defection screw is doing some damage to the washer and sheave. Is that normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted February 1, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Tomas. said: There will be two new washers and one used. Where do I put the third one? Also it looks like by belt defection screw is doing some damage to the washer and sheave. Is that normal? Back side of spring cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas. Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: Back side of spring cup ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted February 1, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted February 1, 2019 Just now, Tomas. said: ? correct, sorry for the delay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas. Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: correct, sorry for the delay It is all good. I won't have the washers till tonight. It won't be going back together until tomorrow Edited February 1, 2019 by Tomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas. Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Shaft and bushings polished with type A very fine Scotch Brite. Everything all cleaned up. Do I lubricate the shaft the rollers sit on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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