racinfarmer Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Greedy fuckers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 CaPiTaLiSm Iz BeSt SyStEM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 19 minutes ago, motonoggin said: CaPiTaLiSm Iz BeSt SyStEM WOW! so woke and clever for a blatant hypocrite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said: WOW! so woke and clever for a blatant hypocrite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayatodaU.P.eh? Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 So now a car company is going to make a key fob use cellular service? How else are they going to control this? Either the car, or fob, would have to verify the fob subscription is valid using Wi-Fi or a cell service. My guess is, this particular thought is an app based fob using your phone in place of an actual key fob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted December 12, 2021 Gold Member Share Posted December 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, SayatodaU.P.eh? said: So now a car company is going to make a key fob use cellular service? How else are they going to control this? Either the car, or fob, would have to verify the fob subscription is valid using Wi-Fi or a cell service. My guess is, this particular thought is an app based fob using your phone in place of an actual key fob. What about people who live/work/travel outside of cell range? This is complete garbage by Toyota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bontz Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, SayatodaU.P.eh? said: So now a car company is going to make a key fob use cellular service? How else are they going to control this? Either the car, or fob, would have to verify the fob subscription is valid using Wi-Fi or a cell service. My guess is, this particular thought is an app based fob using your phone in place of an actual key fob. Yep - I'm sure it's the same thing GM is doing (which pisses me off). Ford has their SYNC software, which you can start your vehicle from anywhere with their free app. GM, it's subscription based. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayatodaU.P.eh? Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, Kivalo said: What about people who live/work/travel outside of cell range? This is complete garbage by Toyota. My guess is that there will still be a regular key available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 18 hours ago, racinfarmer said: Greedy fuckers. Lol just the start of what is on its way John deer has a few yrs of experience on owning your ass that others legal teams have been watching very close. And again they are just in the infancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, SayatodaU.P.eh? said: So now a car company is going to make a key fob use cellular service? How else are they going to control this? Either the car, or fob, would have to verify the fob subscription is valid using Wi-Fi or a cell service. My guess is, this particular thought is an app based fob using your phone in place of an actual key fob. They already own satellites they don't need t-mobile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Kivalo said: What about people who live/work/travel outside of cell range? This is complete garbage by Toyota. It probably works by satellite. We came out from FL on bros boat this spring, and the navionics app on my Ipad worked the whole time, even though we were miles from cell range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 So, the fact that we don't like this must automatically mean this is communism/socialism, right? Can I get confirmation from our representatives from the ignorant dipshit population? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: So, the fact that we don't like this must automatically mean this is communism/socialism, right? Can I get confirmation from our representatives from the ignorant dipshit population? Just shut the fuck up your a paper soldier in a fight that will never happen that you refuse to even imbrace in your own life . Just pathetic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, motonoggin said: So, the fact that we don't like this must automatically mean this is communism/socialism, right? Can I get confirmation from our representatives from the ignorant dipshit population? Damn guy. Its a fuckin key fob. You're the one who started in about it with the capitalism comments. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Ez ryder said: Just shut the fuck up your a paper soldier in a fight that will never happen that you refuse to even imbrace in your own life . Just pathetic Its clearly beyond your mental capacity to understand, so I'll try and explain a bit better. Someone who believes capitalism to be doomed to failure and will eventually lead to communism has to also live in the present society and is virtually powerless to stop the march of capitalism into the abyss. The belief that capitalist hubris will lead to communism isn't a suicide pact or a vow of poverty, bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Damn guy. Its a fuckin key fob. You're the one who started in about it with the capitalism comments. Yeah, and? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayatodaU.P.eh? Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 19 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: They already own satellites they don't need t-mobile So now Toyota is going to put a gps transmitter in a key fob and keep you from being able to access your car remotely, if you don’t pay them? Sounds cheap and totally something that Toyota would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just now, motonoggin said: Yeah, and? And, save your obsession for the marxist threads. This ones about a key fob. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayatodaU.P.eh? Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: Damn guy. Its a fuckin key fob. You're the one who started in about it with the capitalism comments. It’s what he does. Give him a few more replies and out will come the memes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Same guy who says antifa isn't an organized movement and doesn't go around intimidating and assaulting innocent people and destroying private property. Yuh. ok. Lets see how happy he'd be if they came in and destroyed his grow op business. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 News of Toyota's decision surfaced on Reddit last month after an eagle-eyed user spotted some wording in Toyota's Remote Connect marketing materials that suggested an ongoing subscription would be required for drivers to start their car remotely with their key fob. The phrasing was confusing, and some wondered whether Toyota would actually take this step. A peek at various Toyota forums shows some owners have been reckoning with this possibility for a couple years now, though with many 2018 or newer Toyotas still within their subscription trial periods, it's entirely possible that most drivers are unaware of the arrangement. Though the thread on Reddit was eventually labeled "Potentially Misleading" by moderators after garnering hundreds of comments, Toyota's response to The Drive was unequivocal: A paid subscription is required for the key fob's remote start function to work for every single model. Ten years might seem like a long time. According to a study by iSeeCars, the average vehicle owner keeps their car for around 8.4 years. Toyota is ranked as the longest-kept manufacturer, with the average vehicle ownership lasting nine years. Cars are also lasting longer than ever with the average age of vehicles on the road being 12.1 years old, meaning that people are keeping new and used rides longer than ever. It's plausible that a vehicle will change hands during that 10-year trial period, leading to the remote start function deactivating after someone purchases the vehicle used. But it's just as plausible that the original owner will have to pay up. What's even more unknown is how technology might affect something like this in the future. For example, cellular providers in the U.S. have earmarked the end of the 3G cellular network, a technology that many vehicles rely on today in order to call home to the mothership, so to speak. We've got a whole explainer on that available here, but the long and the short of it is that the situation is particularly dire for Toyota owners. While some other manufacturers are retrofitting vehicles to be compatible with newer LTE networks, Toyota is discontinuing Connected Services support for the affected vehicles, all of which are model year 2019 or earlier. A Toyota spokesperson confirmed to The Drive that it has no plans to offer an upgrade, paid or otherwise, to vehicles affected by the 3G shutdown. Perhaps not coincidentally, the automaker also announced that it has "enhanced" vehicles built before Nov. 12, 2018, to no longer require a subscription for the key fob's remote start feature to function. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nascarmike Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Not a Toyota fan, but maybe this is more secure than the current key fob technology? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Most stolen are Kia/Hyundai... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 33 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Yeah, and? And nothing you are a paper soldier in a fight that you don't even believe in . How fucking pathetic is that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Ez ryder said: And nothing you are a paper soldier in a fight that you don't even believe in . How fucking pathetic is that There is no fight to be had right now. Capitalism has to decay some more first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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