ArcticCrusher Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Moto didn't misuse his own white privilege now. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 20 minutes ago, AKIQPilot said: Yep and I recall something about using the money from his 401k scam to buy a chromatograph to begin testing and grading pot. The problem with Noggins utopia is it doesn't work. It never has worked and it never will work. Human nature will see to that. There is a good reason for that. Larger bold would make sure of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, ArcticCrusher said: Moto didn't misuse his own white privilege now. Of course he did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Bloodbath. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT MXZ XRS Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 3 hours ago, frenchy said: For sure but I have friends of below average intelligence who are successful because they work hard. 3 hours ago, Edmo said: My friend Mike barely made it through HS and he had all the easy classes. Probably makes 10x my best year every year running his construction company. I hated school and just did enough to get by. I knew 4 year college wasn't for me. A high school science teacher once told my mom and dad at parent teach conferences something along the lines of "if I was teaching auto shop classes or a class about fixing and riding dirt bikes and motorcycles , your kid would be a 4.0+ student. He's bored with what I'm trying to teach him and just doesn't care. He could care less about what is in those school books I can't get him to get his head out of those car magazines. He will be successful in life tho one day, because he is very focused on what he is into". I barely graduated because of classes that I absolutely cared nothing about. But I made it thru and did graduate with my class. Worked and partied that summer. I also took a test to become an auto mechanic apprentice thru a program that Chrysler dealers were doing in that same summer of '91. I aced everything, but the math part. I hated math. It was one of my worst subjects. One that almost kept me from graduating. I had to go to night school to get a math credit so I could graduate. I got a C- , but it was all I needed so I didn't care. The guy in charge of that program told me "you scored very high in everything, but the math is killing you. Go take a math class at community college this fall and come back and test again in the winter and you'll be in no problem". So I enrolled at MCC in a math class, a blueprint class and one other, I forgot what it was. Again, I hated math and just didn't do good in it. Was to busy trying to bang my buddies sister at the time too That had a lot to do with it as well. I ended up dropping the math class and the other class I forgot what it was. I aced the blueprint class, but that didn't matter. Winter comes along and I know I'm not passing that test again, so I didn't even bother taking it again. I ended up at the recruiters office. After about 2 months , I ended up enlisting. I was off to boot camp in the spring of 1992. I needed to get away and figure out what I wanted to do with my life. Best thing I ever did for myself. Did my 4 years , and grew up A LOT. Got out and worked in construction for a while. Went to work for a company that did prototype work for GM. Was supposed to be hired to train as mechanic, but they fucked me around , so I quit and went back to construction. Got a call from Ford about a year later and took a job in production. Roughly two years after that I took the apprentice test. Passed and waited to be called for the trades I selected. I finally got called and got on the program at 30. I knew unless I wanted to sling iron the rest of my life, I had to buckle down and do good and pass these classes. I aced almost all my classes. Only one I didn't was an electrical class for non electrical trades. Guy teaching it was a total dick and put a bunch of stuff on the mid term and final that wasn't supposed to be on it. I ended up with a C- in that class. Ended up finishing with a 3.86gpa. Not bad for someone who almost didn't graduate high school. I also have to add that I aced Algebra, Geometry, Trigonometry and Physics. 4 classes that I dreaded and feared they would keep me from graduating because I hated math so much. Lucky for me I had white privilege on my side tho to help me passes those classes. 3 hours ago, frenchy said: one of my good buddies from down east is like that - literally functionally illiterate and owns a successful roofing and reno company. Buys and flips houses too. He has life by the balls. He works hard and is charismatic - only reason he's successful, not because of his brains. My dad had to quit school in the 7th grade to go to work full time to help his mom pay the bills after his dad died. He was drafted into the Army. Did 2 years. Got out and moved N to Michigan where the auto industry was hiring like crazy. Got a job at a small tool and die shop. Did an apprenticeship there and got his journeyman's card in tool and die. Got hired into Chrysler shortly after and did 39 years and retired very comfortably. One of my best friends (who is a a little older than me) dropped out of high school after the 11th grade. And still has never went back and got a diploma to this day. He went to work for a couple of different jobs, working multiple jobs. He ended up in the building trades (like his dad). Worked for a couple of different builders. He eventually got his builders license and has built many homes on his own. Worked off and on for other builders and he still does some on his own every now and then (he helped me GC with mine) He went to work as a superintendent for a very large local builder for about 6-7 years ago. The homes they build start in the $1M+ range. He's built houses for several members of The Detroit Red Wings, Tigers, and Lions. Good thing both of those guys had white privilege on their side too like me 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Bloodbath. there's a reason he's about as forthcoming as momo these days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, frenchy said: there's a reason he's about as forthcoming as momo these days His memory would seem to be pretty selective depending on his argument(s). Neat trait. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s pump Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 19 hours ago, motonoggin said: Anecdotes don't outweigh statistics. Millennials, which are basically all adults under 40, are broke, have no assets, rent their homes, and are trying to just survive in a climate of stagnant wages and rising prices. Not the millenials I know. Most have nice homes, equity, savings, vacations, fun and great paying jobs. You need to find another group of friends. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 49 minutes ago, s pump said: Not the millenials I know. Most have nice homes, equity, savings, vacations, fun and great paying jobs. You need to find another group of friends. Yup, now if we teach them early on how to manage finances better, esp gifts and inheritances just imagine the possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 5 hours ago, s pump said: Not the millenials I know. Most have nice homes, equity, savings, vacations, fun and great paying jobs. You need to find another group of friends. Again, your anecdotes are meaningless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Again, your anecdotes are meaningless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 49 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Again, your anecdotes are meaningless Ok boomer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 8 hours ago, AKIQPilot said: Yep and I recall something about using the money from his 401k scam to buy a chromatograph to begin testing and grading pot. The problem with Noggins utopia is it doesn't work. It never has worked and it never will work. Human nature will see to that. Tom remembers better than francy. Behavior is a product of conditions. Change the conditions and you change the behavior. Capitalism creates conditions where greed, selfishness, and callous disregard for your fellow human are rewarded. These conditions have shaped society into what it is today. All that's needed is a change of conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 hours ago, motonoggin said: Again, your anecdotes are meaningless And you’re so edgy and woke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Tom remembers better than francy. Behavior is a product of conditions. Change the conditions and you change the behavior. Capitalism creates conditions where greed, selfishness, and callous disregard for your fellow human are rewarded. These conditions have shaped society into what it is today. All that's needed is a change of conditions. That is 100% pure delusion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Tom remembers better than francy. Behavior is a product of conditions. Change the conditions and you change the behavior. Capitalism creates conditions where greed, selfishness, and callous disregard for your fellow human are rewarded. These conditions have shaped society into what it is today. All that's needed is a change of conditions. Your utopia does not work. It never has and it never will. The reasons are obvious to anyone with even the slightest bit of real life experience. Its not just my lifetime that this will never happen, it’s yours too. I will live another 35 years. You may live another 40. Your form of socialism will be no closer to reality when I die as it will when you die. You can take that to the bank 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 41 minutes ago, bussman said: That is 100% pure delusion. Behavioral science disagrees with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 9 hours ago, ArcticCrusher said: Moto didn't misuse his own white privilege now. His white guilt kicked in after his capitalist success..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bussman Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 10 hours ago, motonoggin said: Behavioral science disagrees with you. Behavioral science states the human condition will always get the same result, regardless of the form of governing. This somehow escapes you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 THereS nO gOod PaYinG jobS!!!! says it all in my recent trade magazine. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 5:15 AM, bussman said: Behavioral science states the human condition will always get the same result, regardless of the form of governing. This somehow escapes you. Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 9:01 AM, Cold War said: THereS nO gOod PaYinG jobS!!!! says it all in my recent trade magazine. That's hard work. It's not attractive to a lot of today's kids 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, washedupmxer said: That's hard work. It's not attractive to a lot of today's kids You got that right. No one wants want to work like that anymore. That’s why every shop you go into everyone is 40+ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted December 13, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cold War said: You got that right. No one wants want to work like that anymore. That’s why every shop you go into everyone is 40+ I would imagine it doesn’t pay all that well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, BOHICA said: I would imagine it doesn’t pay all that well. I guess, it depends on what you consider pays well. 60 - 90 k a year , depending on experience? A lot better than a four year liberal arts degree or working at the McDonald’s . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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