Mikeadoo Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 12 hours ago, Zambroski said: Polaris made one good sled for real riders. That's it. The rest are for consumer tourists. which one was that???? The 96 XLT??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 24 minutes ago, Mikeadoo said: which one was that???? The 96 XLT??? Yea, I'm kinda curious too. @Zambroski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 4 hours ago, bladefever said: Well, they Doo have lots of space on the showroom floor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awful knawful Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 13 hours ago, Zambroski said: Polaris made one good sled for real riders. That's it. The rest are for consumer tourists. Since 99.9% of us are consumers, I guess that was a good move, and why Cat is treading water! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted August 27, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Mikeadoo said: which one was that???? The 96 XLT??? xcr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 6 hours ago, Mikeadoo said: which one was that???? The 96 XLT??? 86 Indy fiver!!! 5 hours ago, AKIQPilot said: Yea, I'm kinda curious too. @Zambroski If you had to guess which one I like...... 4 hours ago, awful knawful said: Since 99.9% of us are consumers, I guess that was a good move, and why Cat is treading water! Cat is struggling because of what appears to be a stagnant and idiotic boardroom full of people that can’t seem to make good management hiring decisions. Even still, their design, R&D and race engineering team has kept Cat sled sales just behind Poo in North America. People still want performance/race inspired sleds. Poo has done well, there’s no doubt. They secured government contracts with their wheeled vehicles along the way that has given them plenty of marketing room and their dealer distribution market worldwide is huge. Arctic Cat has to be one of the worst top management run operations in the last 20 years. If Textron fucks their racing dept up anymore or, decides Cat doesn’t need to dominate the race tracks any longer (jury is out on this one). It’s over. They can close up the sled business for good. I’ve got my Doo gear hanging in my closet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 27, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 27, 2019 To be honest you remove Tucker from Cat's race team the past 10-15 years and how "successful" are they? Reality is this. Cat is hanging on to a 8 y.o. chassis and that is what is hurting their consumer sled sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: To be honest you remove Tucker from Cat's race team the past 10-15 years and how "successful" are they? Reality is this. Cat is hanging on to a 8 y.o. chassis and that is what is hurting their consumer sled sales. I find it a bit odd because historically they have been the quickest to come out with a new chassis like ever 2 or 3 years for decades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev144 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Highmark said: To be honest you remove Tucker from Cat's race team the past 10-15 years and how "successful" are they? Reality is this. Cat is hanging on to a 8 y.o. chassis and that is what is hurting their consumer sled sales. 2020 is 9 years. Almost a decade an the chassis is just about becoming what it should have been in 12. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 27, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kev144 said: 2020 is 9 years. Almost a decade an the chassis is just about becoming what it should have been in 12. Cat does the poorest job at suspension settings (shocks) and seat/seat foam material for consumer sleds in the industry. Makes a huge difference. I don't mind the ProCross chassis for some types of riding. I don't care what anyone says its still the flattest cornering out there however its fun factor for light feeling front end and weight transfer are the worst and I think that has really hurt them. By no mean's is it a heavy steering chassis however its front end feels too glued to the ground for maximum fun factor on how I like to ride. Edited August 27, 2019 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, Highmark said: To be honest you remove Tucker from Cat's race team the past 10-15 years and how "successful" are they? Reality is this. Cat is hanging on to a 8 y.o. chassis and that is what is hurting their consumer sled sales. Tucker is just SX. Cat has continued to set record podium placements with the PC. Their dominance in XC is pretty amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 27, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Zambroski said: Tucker is just SX. Cat has continued to set record podium placements with the PC. Their dominance in XC is pretty amazing. Not denying its a great SX chassis. Just not always what consumers wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 39 minutes ago, Highmark said: To be honest you remove Tucker from Cat's race team the past 10-15 years and how "successful" are they? Reality is this. Cat is hanging on to a 8 y.o. chassis and that is what is hurting their consumer sled sales. Which is strange. It’s still newer than doos chassis. And the first 2-3 years of a new chassis is usually quite problematic. The last couple years of a chassis is usually the best sled. Like the procross now is awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 31 minutes ago, Highmark said: Cat does the poorest job at suspension settings (shocks) and seat/seat foam material for consumer sleds in the industry. Makes a huge difference. I don't mind the ProCross chassis for some types of riding. I don't care what anyone says its still the flattest cornering out there however its fun factor for light feeling front end and weight transfer are the worst and I think that has really hurt them. By no mean's is it a heavy steering chassis however its front end feels too glued to the ground for maximum fun factor on how I like to ride. The cornering of the 2020 procross is supposed to be a lot better than they were before too. Has a totally reworked front end. If it were doo it would be called a new chassis if they put different plastics on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snopro31 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Procross is slow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 27, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 27, 2019 Just now, Rapid Anus said: The cornering of the 2020 procross is supposed to be a lot better than they were before too. Has a totally reworked front end. If it were doo it would be called a new chassis if they put different plastics on it. Well if its flatter corning yet that again will not sell with what consumers want today. It isn't the selling factor it once was. More and more people want a light feeling front end that feels playful. Even on the trails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, snopro31 said: Procross is slow Don't you have like an ice fishing sled or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snopro31 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Just now, ArcticCrusher said: Don't you have like an ice fishing sled or something? 800 etec is still in the garage at the moment excuse me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Highmark said: Well if its flatter corning yet that again will not sell with what consumers want today. It isn't the selling factor it once was. More and more people want a light feeling front end that feels playful. Even on the trails. People want the newest whiz bang tech even if it is garbage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, snopro31 said: 800 etec is still in the garage at the moment excuse me We will race this winter I will gape you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snopro31 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Rapid Anus said: We will race this winter I will gape you! I'll put it in high gear!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 27, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Rapid Anus said: People want the newest whiz bang tech even if it is garbage Constant evolution of the sport. When the early ZR's came out around 92-93 it was a race to see who could make the flattest cornering sled. Nobody could match cat for a while. Now a days its not JUST about flat cornering. Its about a playful feel to the chassis and Cat is just lagging behind if that is what one wants. Edited August 27, 2019 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 Just now, Highmark said: Constant evolution of the sport. When the early ZR's came out around 92-93 it was a race to see who could make the flattest cornering sled. Nobody could match cat for a while. Now a days its not JUST about flat cornering. Its about a playful feel to the chassis and Cat is just lagging behind if that is what one wants. Flattest cornering sled I’ve owned was my old 96 Mach Z hard to tip a sled when the front end weighs 700 lbs and is 3” off the ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 49 minutes ago, Highmark said: Cat does the poorest job at suspension settings (shocks) and seat/seat foam material for consumer sleds in the industry. Makes a huge difference. I don't mind the ProCross chassis for some types of riding. I don't care what anyone says its still the flattest cornering out there however its fun factor for light feeling front end and weight transfer are the worst and I think that has really hurt them. By no mean's is it a heavy steering chassis however its front end feels too glued to the ground for maximum fun factor on how I like to ride. I thought Cat had the best front end in the biz until I rode the Axys. Its still really good tho, way better than skidoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted August 27, 2019 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Anler said: I thought Cat had the best front end in the biz until I rode the Axys. Its still really good tho, way better than skidoo Agree to disagree on that. Depends on what one wants. Axys front end is awesome for ride quality but gives some surprising quick ski lifts at times. More so that the other 2 IMHO. Honestly all 3 are pretty awesome. Edited August 27, 2019 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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