motonoggin Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, s pump said: What's kind of funny Noggin is that the epitome of Communism , in China the average worker earns about $3,500 a year and the average house is over $100,000. There is no feedback loop from products produced to products consumed there. Therefore they create a bunch of shit product. The only people making money in a communist Society are the Elite. I'm not sure where you get the idea that you can have all the good and none of the bad with your Utopia. China is state capitalism, not communism. On the bold: Kinda like America, just a different degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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motonoggin Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 China magnifies the inherent contradiction in capitalism. Workers cannot afford to consume the products they make. That is going on here as well. When productivity and wages diverge and stagnate like the graph I posted showed, wealth becomes sequestered, demand drops, and debt rises. Sound at all familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s pump Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, motonoggin said: China is state capitalism, not communism. On the bold: Kinda like America, just a different degree. So how about an example of a great communist Nation that is fairer than the US to the working person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, s pump said: So how about an example of a great communist Nation that is fairer than the US to the working person? There has never been one. Authoritarians and capitalists always crushed libertarian communist movements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s pump Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: There has never been one. Authoritarians and capitalists always crushed libertarian communist movements. Then I guess I don't understand which team you're pulling for. Have a great night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, s pump said: Then I guess I don't understand which team you're pulling for. Have a great night. I guess you don't understand a lot. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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02sled Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 1 hour ago, motonoggin said: China is state capitalism, not communism. On the bold: Kinda like America, just a different degree. That's because the true communism just didn't work. Between 1959 and 1961, food production plummeted due to crop and industrial shortfalls. A great famine resulted, causing millions of deaths. The loss of privately run sectors was hurting the country tremendously. http://www.businessinsider.com/how-china-went-from-communist-to-capitalist-2015-10/#mao-envisioned-a-society-in-which-all-would-equally-share-in-prosperity-to-that-end-he-began-to-bring-farms-factories-and-other-businesses-under-government-ownership-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 1 hour ago, 02sled said: That's because the true communism just didn't work. Between 1959 and 1961, food production plummeted due to crop and industrial shortfalls. A great famine resulted, causing millions of deaths. The loss of privately run sectors was hurting the country tremendously. http://www.businessinsider.com/how-china-went-from-communist-to-capitalist-2015-10/#mao-envisioned-a-society-in-which-all-would-equally-share-in-prosperity-to-that-end-he-began-to-bring-farms-factories-and-other-businesses-under-government-ownership-2 Authoritarianism isn't communism. Communism is a stateless, classless society where the means of production are commonly owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 21 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Authoritarianism isn't communism. Communism is a stateless, classless society where the means of production are commonly owned. Sounds lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 2 hours ago, motonoggin said: China magnifies the inherent contradiction in capitalism. Workers cannot afford to consume the products they make. That is going on here as well. When productivity and wages diverge and stagnate like the graph I posted showed, wealth becomes sequestered, demand drops, and debt rises. Sound at all familiar? Sounds like $20 trillion and growing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Momorider Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, motonoggin said: The cop who fucked you over must have had a really large pecker eh NeoStoner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MiSledder Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 14 hours ago, s pump said: What's kind of funny Noggin is that the epitome of Communism , in China the average worker earns about $3,500 a year and the average house is over $100,000. There is no feedback loop from products produced to products consumed there. Therefore they create a bunch of shit product. The only people making money in a communist Society are the Elite. I'm not sure where you get the idea that you can have all the good and none of the bad with your Utopia. He says everyday will be christmas in his communist society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiSledder Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 11 hours ago, motonoggin said: Authoritarianism isn't communism. Communism is a stateless, classless society where the means of production are commonly owned. Truth is youre lazy and unsuccessful in life, youve smoked a shit ton of weed, you blame the wealthy for your failures. Sorry stoner, time to find a job 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, MiSledder said: Truth is youre lazy and unsuccessful in life, youve smoked a shit ton of weed, you blame the wealthy for your failures. Sorry stoner, time to find a job Haha! Lazy and unsuccessful? How so? I won't deny smoking a shit ton of weed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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01mxz800 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 41 minutes ago, Dave said: weak stream? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cold War Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I hate people who shit up the bowl! how the fuck does one get a shit mark on the back of the seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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