snoughnut Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 18 minutes ago, Snoslinger said: of the horror. is it really that hard to understand why things like this are, and should, be done? if yeah, you're quite the dumb fuck. Listen dickhead, the EPA is a bloated, out of control, bureaucracy, it's time for a cleansing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted May 1, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 1, 2017 12 minutes ago, Edmo said: Interesting read on this. It costs 50 million a year to run this program. Maybe the manufacturers can get together and fund it. http://www.dwmmag.com/trump-epa-transition-chief-if-your-industry-likes-energy-star-it-should-run-it/ A few less weekends in FL or his wife and kid could live in the WH for a year and save the $150,000/day secret service expense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member SnowRider Posted May 1, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 1, 2017 1 minute ago, snoughnut said: Listen dickhead, the EPA is a bloated, out of control, bureaucracy, it's time for a cleansing. Yes because the fishing and water quality in the Bay of Green Bay is no different than it was in the 60's and 70's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 What a bunch of clowns. I wonder why the head of the EPA resigned so abruptly and undignified after Trump won? Well, I don't at all. Cuz, the jig was up. Oh, and here's some simple reading for the liberat twits on here. You won't get through it because it doesn't fit your hate narratives, but you can try. On December 17, 2008, the EPA Office of the Inspector General released its report on the Energy Star program. The Inspector General's audit found that the program's claims regarding greenhouse gas reductions were inaccurate and based on faulty data. Additionally, the IG found that Energy Star program's reported energy savings were unreliable, and that many of the touted benefits could not be verified. "Deficiencies included the lack of a quality review of the data collected; reliance on estimates, forecasting, and unverified third party reporting; and the potential inclusion of exported items," the report concluded.[32] Additionally, the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy, Consumer Reports, and the trade website ApplianceAdvisor.com,[33] have released statements claiming that Energy Star test procedures contained loopholes that allow many inefficient products to receive Energy Star labels. Specific claims include: U.S. Department of Energy regulations allowed the manufacturers to test the refrigerators with their ice-makers turned off, which is not how they are normally used in the home. However, the Energy Star requirements usually exclude refrigerators that include an ice maker because of the penetration of the ice dispenser. Some designs get around this by dispensing the ice into a tray located in the freezer.[34] Using outdated testing rules and loose standards to award Energy Star ratings. The program allows manufacturers to test their own products and only selectively spot-checks the test results they submit. There are so many individually rated refrigerator categories that even inefficient product categories (such as side-by-sides) are certified. Before the complaints were raised in 2008, 2006 federal court had required the DOE to update and tighten misleading Energy Star ratings given to products in almost two dozen categories, including dishwashers, air conditioners, heaters, furnaces and clothes dryers. The updates were to settle complaints by 14 states. However, categories such as room air conditioners and clothes dryers would not be completed until June 2011.[35] The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency had released reports in 2007 and 2008 claiming Energy Star labels were misleading. Inspector general issued a report that said Energy Star's savings claims were "not accurate or verifiable." The report also found that shipment data for Energy Star products were not being adequately reviewed and in some cases, were based on estimates instead of actual shipping totals.[36] Martin Hellman revealed that Energy Star standby mode requirement can be compromised when an electronic device uses Download Acquisition Mode (DAM) feature to update TV Guide listing during standby mode. Hellman first found the feature on Sony KDL-37XBR6.[37] In March 2010, a report by the Government Accountability Office stated that the Energy Star program had accepted 15 out of 20 bogus products submitted for approval. The Energy Star program had also qualified four businesses as Energy Star partners, failing to catch the fact that information on the companies, products and staff were all fictitious.[38] In 2011, EPA tried to remedy this problem by requiring third-party verification of all products. EPA now requires products, destined for the US market, to be tested for qualification in an EPA-recognized laboratory and certified as meeting the ENERGY STAR requirements by a third-party certification program. [39] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 They could hire an independent outside testing firm and probably do it for 1/4 of the cost. Anything our govt touches gets bloated beyond belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: What a bunch of clowns. I wonder why the head of the EPA resigned so abruptly and undignified after Trump won? Well, I don't at all. Cuz, the jig was up. Oh, and here's some simple reading for the liberat twits on here. You won't get through it because it doesn't fit your hate narratives, but you can try. On December 17, 2008, the EPA Office of the Inspector General released its report on the Energy Star program. The Inspector General's audit found that the program's claims regarding greenhouse gas reductions were inaccurate and based on faulty data. Additionally, the IG found that Energy Star program's reported energy savings were unreliable, and that many of the touted benefits could not be verified. "Deficiencies included the lack of a quality review of the data collected; reliance on estimates, forecasting, and unverified third party reporting; and the potential inclusion of exported items," the report concluded.[32] Additionally, the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy, Consumer Reports, and the trade website ApplianceAdvisor.com,[33] have released statements claiming that Energy Star test procedures contained loopholes that allow many inefficient products to receive Energy Star labels. Specific claims include: U.S. Department of Energy regulations allowed the manufacturers to test the refrigerators with their ice-makers turned off, which is not how they are normally used in the home. However, the Energy Star requirements usually exclude refrigerators that include an ice maker because of the penetration of the ice dispenser. Some designs get around this by dispensing the ice into a tray located in the freezer.[34] Using outdated testing rules and loose standards to award Energy Star ratings. The program allows manufacturers to test their own products and only selectively spot-checks the test results they submit. There are so many individually rated refrigerator categories that even inefficient product categories (such as side-by-sides) are certified. Before the complaints were raised in 2008, 2006 federal court had required the DOE to update and tighten misleading Energy Star ratings given to products in almost two dozen categories, including dishwashers, air conditioners, heaters, furnaces and clothes dryers. The updates were to settle complaints by 14 states. However, categories such as room air conditioners and clothes dryers would not be completed until June 2011.[35] The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency had released reports in 2007 and 2008 claiming Energy Star labels were misleading. Inspector general issued a report that said Energy Star's savings claims were "not accurate or verifiable." The report also found that shipment data for Energy Star products were not being adequately reviewed and in some cases, were based on estimates instead of actual shipping totals.[36] Martin Hellman revealed that Energy Star standby mode requirement can be compromised when an electronic device uses Download Acquisition Mode (DAM) feature to update TV Guide listing during standby mode. Hellman first found the feature on Sony KDL-37XBR6.[37] In March 2010, a report by the Government Accountability Office stated that the Energy Star program had accepted 15 out of 20 bogus products submitted for approval. The Energy Star program had also qualified four businesses as Energy Star partners, failing to catch the fact that information on the companies, products and staff were all fictitious.[38] In 2011, EPA tried to remedy this problem by requiring third-party verification of all products. EPA now requires products, destined for the US market, to be tested for qualification in an EPA-recognized laboratory and certified as meeting the ENERGY STAR requirements by a third-party certification program. [39] Interdesting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Zambroski said: What a bunch of clowns. I wonder why the head of the EPA resigned so abruptly and undignified after Trump won? Well, I don't at all. Cuz, the jig was up. Oh, and here's some simple reading for the liberat twits on here. You won't get through it because it doesn't fit your hate narratives, but you can try. On December 17, 2008, the EPA Office of the Inspector General released its report on the Energy Star program. The Inspector General's audit found that the program's claims regarding greenhouse gas reductions were inaccurate and based on faulty data. Additionally, the IG found that Energy Star program's reported energy savings were unreliable, and that many of the touted benefits could not be verified. "Deficiencies included the lack of a quality review of the data collected; reliance on estimates, forecasting, and unverified third party reporting; and the potential inclusion of exported items," the report concluded.[32] Additionally, the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy, Consumer Reports, and the trade website ApplianceAdvisor.com,[33] have released statements claiming that Energy Star test procedures contained loopholes that allow many inefficient products to receive Energy Star labels. Specific claims include: U.S. Department of Energy regulations allowed the manufacturers to test the refrigerators with their ice-makers turned off, which is not how they are normally used in the home. However, the Energy Star requirements usually exclude refrigerators that include an ice maker because of the penetration of the ice dispenser. Some designs get around this by dispensing the ice into a tray located in the freezer.[34] Using outdated testing rules and loose standards to award Energy Star ratings. The program allows manufacturers to test their own products and only selectively spot-checks the test results they submit. There are so many individually rated refrigerator categories that even inefficient product categories (such as side-by-sides) are certified. Before the complaints were raised in 2008, 2006 federal court had required the DOE to update and tighten misleading Energy Star ratings given to products in almost two dozen categories, including dishwashers, air conditioners, heaters, furnaces and clothes dryers. The updates were to settle complaints by 14 states. However, categories such as room air conditioners and clothes dryers would not be completed until June 2011.[35] The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency had released reports in 2007 and 2008 claiming Energy Star labels were misleading. Inspector general issued a report that said Energy Star's savings claims were "not accurate or verifiable." The report also found that shipment data for Energy Star products were not being adequately reviewed and in some cases, were based on estimates instead of actual shipping totals.[36] Martin Hellman revealed that Energy Star standby mode requirement can be compromised when an electronic device uses Download Acquisition Mode (DAM) feature to update TV Guide listing during standby mode. Hellman first found the feature on Sony KDL-37XBR6.[37] In March 2010, a report by the Government Accountability Office stated that the Energy Star program had accepted 15 out of 20 bogus products submitted for approval. The Energy Star program had also qualified four businesses as Energy Star partners, failing to catch the fact that information on the companies, products and staff were all fictitious.[38] In 2011, EPA tried to remedy this problem by requiring third-party verification of all products. EPA now requires products, destined for the US market, to be tested for qualification in an EPA-recognized laboratory and certified as meeting the ENERGY STAR requirements by a third-party certification program. [39] a joke and complete fucking waste of money and space like the OP whoed a think it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 15 hours ago, Sludgey said: EPA sucks balls You just got yourself a like young man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 4 hours ago, Zambroski said: What a bunch of clowns. I wonder why the head of the EPA resigned so abruptly and undignified after Trump won? Well, I don't at all. Cuz, the jig was up. Oh, and here's some simple reading for the liberat twits on here. You won't get through it because it doesn't fit your hate narratives, but you can try. On December 17, 2008, the EPA Office of the Inspector General released its report on the Energy Star program. The Inspector General's audit found that the program's claims regarding greenhouse gas reductions were inaccurate and based on faulty data. Additionally, the IG found that Energy Star program's reported energy savings were unreliable, and that many of the touted benefits could not be verified. "Deficiencies included the lack of a quality review of the data collected; reliance on estimates, forecasting, and unverified third party reporting; and the potential inclusion of exported items," the report concluded.[32] Additionally, the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy, Consumer Reports, and the trade website ApplianceAdvisor.com,[33] have released statements claiming that Energy Star test procedures contained loopholes that allow many inefficient products to receive Energy Star labels. Specific claims include: U.S. Department of Energy regulations allowed the manufacturers to test the refrigerators with their ice-makers turned off, which is not how they are normally used in the home. However, the Energy Star requirements usually exclude refrigerators that include an ice maker because of the penetration of the ice dispenser. Some designs get around this by dispensing the ice into a tray located in the freezer.[34] Using outdated testing rules and loose standards to award Energy Star ratings. The program allows manufacturers to test their own products and only selectively spot-checks the test results they submit. There are so many individually rated refrigerator categories that even inefficient product categories (such as side-by-sides) are certified. Before the complaints were raised in 2008, 2006 federal court had required the DOE to update and tighten misleading Energy Star ratings given to products in almost two dozen categories, including dishwashers, air conditioners, heaters, furnaces and clothes dryers. The updates were to settle complaints by 14 states. However, categories such as room air conditioners and clothes dryers would not be completed until June 2011.[35] The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency had released reports in 2007 and 2008 claiming Energy Star labels were misleading. Inspector general issued a report that said Energy Star's savings claims were "not accurate or verifiable." The report also found that shipment data for Energy Star products were not being adequately reviewed and in some cases, were based on estimates instead of actual shipping totals.[36] Martin Hellman revealed that Energy Star standby mode requirement can be compromised when an electronic device uses Download Acquisition Mode (DAM) feature to update TV Guide listing during standby mode. Hellman first found the feature on Sony KDL-37XBR6.[37] In March 2010, a report by the Government Accountability Office stated that the Energy Star program had accepted 15 out of 20 bogus products submitted for approval. The Energy Star program had also qualified four businesses as Energy Star partners, failing to catch the fact that information on the companies, products and staff were all fictitious.[38] In 2011, EPA tried to remedy this problem by requiring third-party verification of all products. EPA now requires products, destined for the US market, to be tested for qualification in an EPA-recognized laboratory and certified as meeting the ENERGY STAR requirements by a third-party certification program. [39] I felt that all the way here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 7 hours ago, Snoslinger said: the program also drives the manufacturers to make their products more energy efficient, with the "visibility" of the labels. this guy is a complete fucking idiot. btw what a great speech he have saturday night! maybe somebody should tell him the campaign is over and he needs to start acting more presidential, instead of so bitterly divisive to please his redneck base. my god what an embarrassment this guy, and his dipshit diehard supporters are to the country. He's running for president.... gots to campaign. How can you call anyone decisive after 8 years of the HNIC in laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 40 minutes ago, Snake said: He's running for president.... gots to campaign. How can you call anyone decisive after 8 years of the HNIC in laughable. Haven't heard that in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 7 hours ago, spin_dry said: most intelligent americans do look at energy star ratings before laying out their hard earned cash on an appliance or furnace. there's always a few that are fucking morons. so the last appliance u bought because of its energy star was what ? model number if u don't mind . no one gives a shit if some refrigerator is using a extra 15 bucks a yr when dropping 1200 to 4g on it no one. if u do pretend to care u are full of shit and only buying that one so u can feel unjustly smug about your new china pile of shit as u drive home in coal powered your volt like I said I prob deal with north of 30g in appliance deals a yr not to hard when a high end stove starts at 4g . no one has asked about energy ratings no one. every one wants to know what is the most reliable what have u used in the past and how has it been holding up . and if they have a issue do I know how the service was and dealing with warranty. NEVER has any one asked about energy use. tell me how much concern u had with fuel use on your new sled ? when u fly do u insist on only the most modern efficient jets I assume u always take the stairs . again Ideas so good they have to be mandated . if the company thinks the energy rating is a good thing and they think it will make there china pile of shit sell better they can sure post it on the box no one stopping them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 11 hours ago, SnowRider said: MC - this is Dump and his properties - not The Clinton Foundation so the forum mouthbreathers don't understand. so did this low energy rating stop any one from buying a condo? yeah that is what I thought . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKIQPilot Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 More winning. $50 million worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Government appliance energy ratings are the color coded terror alert level put forth by the Bush administration. No one really pays attention, No one really understands what they mean and we as tax payers paid a fleet of bureaucrats many years of salary to make them happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Just now, AKIQPilot said: More winning. $50 million worth. Crumbs make cakes! ".......but...but....how will I even know what toaster uses 1 kilo-kernal-klit less power than the other without that little yellow tag" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 11 hours ago, SnowRider said: MC - this is Dump and his properties - not The Clinton Foundation so the forum mouthbreathers don't understand. so tell us how trump is going to benefit from no energy star in his buildings ? posted in a link . On a scale of 1 to 100 for energy efficiency, Manhattan's old Mayfair Hotel, which Trump converted into condos, rated a 1. from your link . because the program also includes voluntary scoring of commercial real estate buildings so again how dropping energy star bennifit trump on a condominium property (Manhattan's old Mayfair Hotel) that sold out well in advance of its construction completion help us mouth breathers understand in your own words . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 6 hours ago, Zambroski said: What a bunch of clowns. I wonder why the head of the EPA resigned so abruptly and undignified after Trump won? Well, I don't at all. Cuz, the jig was up. Oh, and here's some simple reading for the liberat twits on here. You won't get through it because it doesn't fit your hate narratives, but you can try. On December 17, 2008, the EPA Office of the Inspector General released its report on the Energy Star program. The Inspector General's audit found that the program's claims regarding greenhouse gas reductions were inaccurate and based on faulty data. Additionally, the IG found that Energy Star program's reported energy savings were unreliable, and that many of the touted benefits could not be verified. "Deficiencies included the lack of a quality review of the data collected; reliance on estimates, forecasting, and unverified third party reporting; and the potential inclusion of exported items," the report concluded.[32] Additionally, the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy, Consumer Reports, and the trade website ApplianceAdvisor.com,[33] have released statements claiming that Energy Star test procedures contained loopholes that allow many inefficient products to receive Energy Star labels. Specific claims include: U.S. Department of Energy regulations allowed the manufacturers to test the refrigerators with their ice-makers turned off, which is not how they are normally used in the home. However, the Energy Star requirements usually exclude refrigerators that include an ice maker because of the penetration of the ice dispenser. Some designs get around this by dispensing the ice into a tray located in the freezer.[34] Using outdated testing rules and loose standards to award Energy Star ratings. The program allows manufacturers to test their own products and only selectively spot-checks the test results they submit. There are so many individually rated refrigerator categories that even inefficient product categories (such as side-by-sides) are certified. Before the complaints were raised in 2008, 2006 federal court had required the DOE to update and tighten misleading Energy Star ratings given to products in almost two dozen categories, including dishwashers, air conditioners, heaters, furnaces and clothes dryers. The updates were to settle complaints by 14 states. However, categories such as room air conditioners and clothes dryers would not be completed until June 2011.[35] The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency had released reports in 2007 and 2008 claiming Energy Star labels were misleading. Inspector general issued a report that said Energy Star's savings claims were "not accurate or verifiable." The report also found that shipment data for Energy Star products were not being adequately reviewed and in some cases, were based on estimates instead of actual shipping totals.[36] Martin Hellman revealed that Energy Star standby mode requirement can be compromised when an electronic device uses Download Acquisition Mode (DAM) feature to update TV Guide listing during standby mode. Hellman first found the feature on Sony KDL-37XBR6.[37] In March 2010, a report by the Government Accountability Office stated that the Energy Star program had accepted 15 out of 20 bogus products submitted for approval. The Energy Star program had also qualified four businesses as Energy Star partners, failing to catch the fact that information on the companies, products and staff were all fictitious.[38] In 2011, EPA tried to remedy this problem by requiring third-party verification of all products. EPA now requires products, destined for the US market, to be tested for qualification in an EPA-recognized laboratory and certified as meeting the ENERGY STAR requirements by a third-party certification program. [39] so no rebuttal from the circle jerk 6 to the mouth breathers of this forum ? it has been 6 hrs what gives to busy sending each other dick picks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 40 minutes ago, Ez ryder said: so no rebuttal from the circle jerk 6 to the mouth breathers of this forum ? it has been 6 hrs what gives to busy sending each other dick picks again They're waiting for someone to write a rebuttal on DU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 On 5/1/2017 at 10:53 AM, SnowRider said: A few less weekends in FL or his wife and kid could live in the WH for a year and save the $150,000/day secret service expense been 3 days for your rebuttal more than enough time to look up huff po talking points . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted May 4, 2017 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted May 4, 2017 Where is the proof in the link MC that Trump wants to do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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