Catman800 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 For those of you who vote blue, do you honestly feel you are better off today then you were two years ago? I don't want to hear a bunch of TDS bullshit. If you think you are better off in terms of the economy, etc. let's hear why. I'm not trying to start an insult fest but want to hear honest answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Who here votes blue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, Catman800 said: For those of you who vote blue, do you honestly feel you are better off today then you were two years ago? I don't want to hear a bunch of TDS bullshit. If you think you are better off in terms of the economy, etc. let's hear why. I'm not trying to start an insult fest but want to hear honest answers. Maybe you're asking the wrong question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catman800 Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, SSFB said: Maybe you're asking the wrong question. The wrong question? Just trying to understand the views of other is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Just now, Catman800 said: The wrong question? Just trying to understand the views of other is all. The best way to honestly understand someone's views is to just let them direct the conversation and say what they want instead of asking a specific question that you think is the right question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catman800 Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 minute ago, SSFB said: The best way to honestly understand someone's views is to just let them direct the conversation and say what they want instead of asking a specific question that you think is the right question. Direct the conversation? There isn't one yet. I'm just wondering if people like the direction the country is heading or the current state? I'm certainly not better off than I was two years ago regardless of whose fault it is and I'm wondering why some think we should keep the status quo instead of seeking change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I haven't liked the direction of the country for the last 21 years. That includes 12 years of republican administrations and 10 years of democrat. Who to blame... I blame easily distracted Americans 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member ZR800efi Posted November 9, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 9, 2022 this place is a liberal echo chamber for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 2 hours ago, SSFB said: The best way to honestly understand someone's views is to just let them direct the conversation and say what they want instead of asking a specific question that you think is the right question. it was a pretty simple yes or no question, try not to overthink it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racer254 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 minute ago, DriftBusta said: it was a pretty simple yes or no question, try not to overthink it. Pretty funny watching some avoid answering. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 9, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Anler said: I haven't liked the direction of the country for the last 21 years. That includes 12 years of republican administrations and 10 years of democrat. Who to blame... I blame easily distracted Americans Was it going the right direction 21 years ago? There's no right direction....in fact was there ever? All we can hope for the closest to the direction we think it should go. Its like trail riding up north and wanting to get to Stillwaters but ending up at Burnt Bridge. Edited November 9, 2022 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Just now, Highmark said: There's no right direction....in fact was there ever? All we can hope for the closest to the direction we think it should go. Our foreign wars have stolen trillions from us. That alone should bother everybody 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I think some people understand that global inflation isn’t an overnight occurrence and takes years in the making. They also understand presidents have little control over monetary policy. Reducing a global interconnected system into such a simple question implies it’s a simple fix, one that a president can change with the stroke of a pen. It’s not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 9, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 9, 2022 Just now, Anler said: Our foreign wars have stolen trillions from us. That alone should bother everybody See my edit. I'll agree but we simply replaced the cold war spending with conflict spending. Its not really any less. The difference is we've lost and injured way too many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 9, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, akvanden said: I think some people understand that global inflation isn’t an overnight occurrence and takes years in the making. They also understand presidents have little control over monetary policy. Reducing a global interconnected system into such a simple question implies it’s a simple fix, one that a president can change with the stroke of a pen. It’s not. While you aren't wrong it sure seemed to spike in a hurry. Biden's stance on energy contributed to it significantly. What isn't produced with the use of fossil fuels? The POTUS can't go around saying they want to destroy the industry without it impacting it. Trump shifted markets in a similar manner. I firmly believe we can get inflation well under 5% simply by taking a different approach to energy production. Edited November 9, 2022 by Highmark 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Catman800 said: For those of you who vote blue, do you honestly feel you are better off today then you were two years ago? I don't want to hear a bunch of TDS bullshit. If you think you are better off in terms of the economy, etc. let's hear why. I'm not trying to start an insult fest but want to hear honest answers. I voted some Blue, some Yellow, and some Red. I personally am doing much better financially than a couple years ago. Income is up, as are prices, however the costs of goods and services doesn’t eclipse increased income. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1jkw Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, Highmark said: While you aren't wrong it sure seemed to spike in a hurry. Biden's stance on energy contributed to it significantly. What isn't produced with the use of fossil fuels? The POTUS can't go around saying they want to destroy the industry without it impacting it. Trump shifted markets in a similar manner. I firmly believe we can get inflation well under 5% simply by taking a different approach to energy production. How does US current oil and NG production now compare to before Biden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akvanden Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 51 minutes ago, Highmark said: While you aren't wrong it sure seemed to spike in a hurry. Biden's stance on energy contributed to it significantly. What isn't produced with the use of fossil fuels? The POTUS can't go around saying they want to destroy the industry without it impacting it. Trump shifted markets in a similar manner. I firmly believe we can get inflation well under 5% simply by taking a different approach to energy production. 21 minutes ago, 1jkw said: How does US current oil and NG production now compare to before Biden? This "U.S. oil output climbed to nearly 12 million barrels per day (bpd) in August, government figures showed on Monday, the highest since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 59 minutes ago, Highmark said: While you aren't wrong it sure seemed to spike in a hurry. Biden's stance on energy contributed to it significantly. What isn't produced with the use of fossil fuels? The POTUS can't go around saying they want to destroy the industry without it impacting it. Trump shifted markets in a similar manner. I firmly believe we can get inflation well under 5% simply by taking a different approach to energy production. poor akvanden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, akvanden said: This "U.S. oil output climbed to nearly 12 million barrels per day (bpd) in August, government figures showed on Monday, the highest since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic" Funny way of saying down 1,000,000 barrels a day.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 9, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 9, 2022 41 minutes ago, 1jkw said: How does US current oil and NG production now compare to before Biden? Same but there has been growth including growth outside the US. Remember is a global commodity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 9, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, akvanden said: This "U.S. oil output climbed to nearly 12 million barrels per day (bpd) in August, government figures showed on Monday, the highest since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic" So we are at the highest output since March 2020? Has the world economy stopped growing? Are we making more or less products out of petroleum? Oops. How much of that was from the SPR? I don't get how people brag that production is the same as a few years ago and don't take into account economic growth since then? Lets also be clear as I was pointing out before market prices are impacted by perception as well as current supply. Do you honestly think if Biden came out tomorrow and said we are going to do EVERYTHING we can to increase production prices wouldn't fall? Come on people. Edited November 9, 2022 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 9, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, akvanden said: This "U.S. oil output climbed to nearly 12 million barrels per day (bpd) in August, government figures showed on Monday, the highest since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic" 9 minutes ago, Snake said: Funny way of saying down 1,000,000 barrels a day.... From the same article. Overall U.S. output peaked at 13 million bpd in late 2019, and has not returned to that level since the pandemic started Edited November 9, 2022 by Highmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 And prefaces his post with "this", as if he made a discovery... GMAFB... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 9, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted November 9, 2022 I don’t let or am at all dependent on which party controls the government. If you are so dependent on the government and who controls it I feel sorry for you. You are messing up in life if you aren’t better off as the years progress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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