Anler Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 On 8/31/2022 at 10:13 AM, Bontz said: This is 100% a CYA (cover your ass) by Polaris, given their history with fire hazards. Only 30 cases over 230K units? I say they can suck a dick. Go about this season BAU and prep/clean/ride as you normally would. Play the "I added fresh fuel" card. I have 3 sleds in that recall group and never even heard of such things happening in all these years. I'm gonna keep going. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 Anybody cancel any rides this weekend because if the stop ride notice 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomxz600 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 mine isn't going any place until the 10th then its getting traded off for a 22 renegade 600r 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayatodaU.P.eh? Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 15 hours ago, Roosting said: So I'm speculating wildly here but it may be possible while a phase separation is occurring that the induced movement of the 2 liquids separating could build up a charge. Especially if both liquids have a different molecular charge. It would be similar to a galvanic voltage that is produced in dissimilar metals. Proper grounding would take care of this issue. No. Stop with the phase separation bs. That’s not the cause. Even if it was, don’t ya think they would call it out and tell people to swap the fuel for fresh or rec fuel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sled_Hed Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 @Doug lol 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Sled_Hed said: @Doug lol If nothing is resolved by time snow flies I will be riding also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomxz600 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 4 hours ago, SayatodaU.P.eh? said: No. Stop with the phase separation bs. That’s not the cause. Even if it was, don’t ya think they would call it out and tell people to swap the fuel for fresh or rec fuel? well since the fans are not included this could be a valid point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayatodaU.P.eh? Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 23 minutes ago, Doomxz600 said: well since the fans are not included this could be a valid point Maybe because they don’t have electric fuel pumps? So no, it’s not valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sled_Hed Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Doug said: If nothing is resolved by time snow flies I will be riding also Don't blame you. I'd do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 21 hours ago, Anler said: I have 3 sleds in that recall group and never even heard of such things happening in all these years. I'm gonna keep going. My matryx has over 3k on it. If it was going to happen you’d think it would have by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Edmo said: My matryx has over 3k on it. If it was going to happen you’d think it would have by now. 30 sleds out of 230,000? I'm not worried 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomxz600 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 6 hours ago, SayatodaU.P.eh? said: Maybe because they don’t have electric fuel pumps? So no, it’s not valid. got to be something with the electrics in the non fan models or they would be included Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomxz600 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Wife got a text message from our insurance company asking if we knew about the stop ride notice. They already knew our sled is part of this and we never discussed it with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Doomxz600 said: Wife got a text message from our insurance company asking if we knew about the stop ride notice. They already knew our sled is part of this and we never discussed it with them. Interesting. Who's your insurance company? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 14 hours ago, SayatodaU.P.eh? said: No. Stop with the phase separation bs. That’s not the cause. Even if it was, don’t ya think they would call it out and tell people to swap the fuel for fresh or rec fuel? That or they would tell you fill the tank with water and take it to the dealer. Something in the tank must some how causing a spark and it is blowing up like a boat when someone doesn’t run their blowers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomxz600 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 9 hours ago, Doug said: Interesting. Who's your insurance company? formost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziemann Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Northstarrick made an interesting observation on HCS that the sleds with mechanical fuel gauges and fan cooled sleds are not included in the recall. Just the ones with the electronic gauges. His theory is that the fire hazard is related to the rheostat on the float arm. To quote the Rick: " northstarrick said: so after doing some research and having a 2015 800 assault in my shop. that does not have a electric fuel gauge in it. this is not part of the recall either. so it seems the open rheostat on the end of the float arm is where the spark is coming from. 12vdc power. so it's not a ground issue if this is the case? i have a octane and a reed vapor pressure tester. dealing with race fuel you need to have these to be sure your race fuel is fresh. state fuel looses it's light ends. so old ethanol fuel that doesn't absorb water looses it's vapor pressure when the alcohol evaporates from it. now low physical fuel and no vapor pressure when colder. the key here. all summer long pressure builds in the fuel tank from heat. this pressure is bleed to the atmosphere via a pressure valve. i a injected sled. then when cooler air is drawn back into the fuel tank via a one way check valve. so now you have air with oxygen in the tank. no vapor coming from the fuel to keep air out. and a small spark from the fuel gauge is all it takes for a fire to happen. it won't happen if you even add 1-2 gallons of fresh fuel." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X2700 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 I guess gauge is not it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 I guess the atv/utv's must use different parts as they aren't affected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 Was at the dealer Fri picking up my sxs thay had at least 30 new sleds sitting in the back lot all sold and assembled but can not be delivered to consumer . Blue and grey was a popular choice this yr from what I could see . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 21 hours ago, Ziemann said: Northstarrick made an interesting observation on HCS that the sleds with mechanical fuel gauges and fan cooled sleds are not included in the recall. Just the ones with the electronic gauges. His theory is that the fire hazard is related to the rheostat on the float arm. To quote the Rick: " northstarrick said: so after doing some research and having a 2015 800 assault in my shop. that does not have a electric fuel gauge in it. this is not part of the recall either. so it seems the open rheostat on the end of the float arm is where the spark is coming from. 12vdc power. so it's not a ground issue if this is the case? i have a octane and a reed vapor pressure tester. dealing with race fuel you need to have these to be sure your race fuel is fresh. state fuel looses it's light ends. so old ethanol fuel that doesn't absorb water looses it's vapor pressure when the alcohol evaporates from it. now low physical fuel and no vapor pressure when colder. the key here. all summer long pressure builds in the fuel tank from heat. this pressure is bleed to the atmosphere via a pressure valve. i a injected sled. then when cooler air is drawn back into the fuel tank via a one way check valve. so now you have air with oxygen in the tank. no vapor coming from the fuel to keep air out. and a small spark from the fuel gauge is all it takes for a fire to happen. it won't happen if you even add 1-2 gallons of fresh fuel." That's actually a really good explanation. However I thought it was about a possible static charge igniting fuel and not an electrical charge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayatodaU.P.eh? Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Anler said: That's actually a really good explanation. However I thought it was about a possible static charge igniting fuel and not an electrical charge. And the fact that not all sleds affected by the recall have electric fuel gauges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayatodaU.P.eh? Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 Just started the Indy a little while ago. Clearly I’m still here to talk about it. It’s been sitting since April. Turn the key to start and it fired right up, totally uneventful and all. Still has 3 gallons of E10 premium in the tank from the last ride too. I did treat it though. Even started the RMK for good measure. The barn smelt lovely. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 I was working in the danger zone today. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 On 9/2/2022 at 11:52 AM, Edmo said: My matryx has over 3k on it. If it was going to happen you’d think it would have by now. On 9/2/2022 at 12:55 PM, Anler said: 30 sleds out of 230,000? I'm not worried You two are going to kill us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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