spin_dry Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 21 minutes ago, Doug said: Yes. I understand phase separation. Still doesn’t explain the problem. Unless I’m missing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 24 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: The tank has a breather/vent or it would collapse when running or expand/burst when it got hot,... vapors escape 24/7 Yup but the opening for the fuel pump is bigger than a vent emitting much more vapor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted August 30, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 30, 2022 51 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Seems odd that is would be degraded fuel. Isn’t fresh fuel more volatile? ONe would think. Few yrs back I emptied the fuel from my log splitter. Shit looked like orange juice. I threw it on a small fire and it put the fire out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Probably just a simple grounding strap is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 24 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Yes. I understand phase separation. Still doesn’t explain the problem. Unless I’m missing something. Once the fuel has phase separationed the fuel on the top is less stable. Don't have anymore details on the recall just know the ethanol blended fuel's and what we need to check and look for. We need to have a ground rod 8 to 10 ft deep and everything grounded before we can pump any fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted August 30, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted August 30, 2022 48 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: Yeppers, I test fuel also for warranty claims, oil ratios and to see if its water bound What is it you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted August 30, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 30, 2022 28 minutes ago, Kivalo said: What is it you do? Sales rep for power equipment and parts, but that's changing shortly, took a job offer yesterday, putting in my 2 weeks notice next week after 26 years with the same company 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted August 30, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Rigid1 said: Sales rep for power equipment and parts, but that's changing shortly, took a job offer yesterday, putting in my 2 weeks notice next week after 26 years with the same company Congrats on the new gig!👊🏻 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted August 30, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Jimmy Snacks said: Congrats on the new gig!👊🏻 Thanks Jim, I'm a bit nervous about it, big change for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: Sales rep for power equipment and parts, but that's changing shortly, took a job offer yesterday, putting in my 2 weeks notice next week after 26 years with the same company Power Distibutors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted August 30, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted August 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: Sales rep for power equipment and parts, but that's changing shortly, took a job offer yesterday, putting in my 2 weeks notice next week after 26 years with the same company Congratulations on the new job! That's awesome! That also makes sense in the fuel/oil samples. We do fuel samples for every load/discharge and our engineer does oil samples for Cat every oil change or so. Amazing what the oil analysis reveals! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: Sales rep for power equipment and parts, but that's changing shortly, took a job offer yesterday, putting in my 2 weeks notice next week after 26 years with the same company Congrats Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 25 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: Sales rep for power equipment and parts, but that's changing shortly, took a job offer yesterday, putting in my 2 weeks notice next week after 26 years with the same company Best of luck on your new job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted August 30, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 30, 2022 18 minutes ago, Doug said: Power Distibutors? Negative, one of my competitors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted August 30, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, Kivalo said: Congratulations on the new job! That's awesome! That also makes sense in the fuel/oil samples. We do fuel samples for every load/discharge and our engineer does oil samples for Cat every oil change or so. Amazing what the oil analysis reveals! I test mostly for mix oil and fuel ratios on 2strokes if something popped under warranty and it's an expensive unit, occasionally a 4stroke, but you can see it's water bound just by looking at it. And thanks B! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted August 30, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted August 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Best of luck on your new job. Thanks MC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Rigid1 said: Negative, one of my competitors Friend worked for them and retired last year. What's the new opportunity? Edited August 31, 2022 by Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Stephen Hawking Posted August 31, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted August 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Kivalo said: Exactly. We need some more information here. Plus every manu would be effected, hell anything with a gas tank would be effected. Probably a grounding issue or cheap chink plastic. Grounding to prevent esd is why you're supposed to fill a gas gan on the ground. We use specialized types of plastics in machines we build for an explosives company, they need to be tested for conductivity before we use them. Some plastics barely conduct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted August 31, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted August 31, 2022 Nice @Rigid1 Change is good after working same place that long . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Kivalo Posted August 31, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted August 31, 2022 27 minutes ago, Stephen Hawking said: Probably a grounding issue or cheap chink plastic. Grounding to prevent esd is why you're supposed to fill a gas gan on the ground. We use specialized types of plastics in machines we build for an explosives company, they need to be tested for conductivity before we use them. Some plastics barely conduct. I am a TankermanPIC on a fuel barge. For this to be a FUEL issue for Polaris then it should be an issue on Cat/Doo/Yam. Otherwise it's something more than fuel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X2700 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Fuel pump or sending unit issue my guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Stephen Hawking Posted August 31, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Kivalo said: I am a TankermanPIC on a fuel barge. For this to be a FUEL issue for Polaris then it should be an issue on Cat/Doo/Yam. Otherwise it's something more than fuel. I doubt it's fuel, filling the tank displaces the vapors and air and as you know air and vapor mixture is what explodes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favoritos Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 I wonder what material composition is used on those tanks? Electrostatic build up doesn't seem to be an issue with tons of other vehicles. The best bet to figure this one out is what is the same on those sleds. It is an odd combination of machines over a long time. Interesting side observation. Our local dealer just had a large storage building go poof. It was at his home place and filled with lots of toys. Sounds like some pretty good money in cars alone. I sure hope that fire wasn't related to this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polaris7541 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 from what I gathered, sounds like separated fuel is more unstable during phase separation,, may create more vapors,, if it is a true ESD as the cause, something moving in the tank has to cause it , cant see a external ESD doing that,, keeping the pump fully submerged is a lesser chance of a spark, ,my best guess is its a fuel pump issue, ESD claim is Russian disinformation found on HB lap top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayatodaU.P.eh? Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 12 hours ago, Kivalo said: I got it too. If its caused by degraded fuel then 1: why is only Axyis/Maytrix models and 2: why don't other Manu's have the same issue? It’s not from degraded fuel. 12 hours ago, Bontz said: I was noodling on that as well ... I mean, ESD should have the ability to spark any fume regardless of fresh or old gas. At least one would think? Old gas is actually less volatile. Especially ethanol blended fuel full of water. 12 hours ago, spin_dry said: Seems odd that is would be degraded fuel. Isn’t fresh fuel more volatile? Correct. If the tank is full, there’s less of a chance for ESD to build up. I’m guessing this is a fuel pump grounding or ESD due to fuel tank material composition issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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