Deephaven Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 1 hour ago, DriftBusta said: Trump realized he'd never get elected unless he joined the party and tried to get them behind him He could stir up the system running outside of the D/R in the next election. Unless the dems did something similar though it would guarantee a republlican loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, Deephaven said: He could stir up the system running outside of the D/R in the next election. Unless the dems did something similar though it would guarantee a republlican loss. I agree, but the media remains a problem. We've seen how shameless they are, and the coordinated narratives are just so disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 15 hours ago, Deephaven said: He could stir up the system running outside of the D/R in the next election. Unless the dems did something similar though it would guarantee a republlican loss. good way to make sure we get another dem in 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bontz Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: good way to make sure we get another dem in 2024. Exactly ... the mid terms next year will be a tell tale sign of how 2024 will go. I still question what Biden will do to improve his approval ratings (or if he'll even make it to 2024). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: good way to make sure we get another dem in 2024. Bernie needs to run as an indy with AOC to level the field if trump rant libertarian. It would actually be the best thing that could happen to us in the country to divide out the candidates to better represent ones views. Just not sure Trumps actions after he lost would let him carry the right leaning middle that truly would like to break away from the religious right. Him not having to pander to the religious right would be excellent since it was just an act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 15 hours ago, Deephaven said: He could stir up the system running outside of the D/R in the next election. Unless the dems did something similar though it would guarantee a republlican loss. And this is exactly how they keep you sheep in line. Just stop voting. Participating in this sham is tacit submission to their authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 12, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) Just what exactly is the middle ground? Even that to each of us is likely somewhat different. It surely isn't what Bernie and "the squad" are pushing for. Parts of what moto claims to desire is not all that far at least in the direction of that many of us want....less govt but deep down how much of America really wants that. Point is there is no magical 3rd or 4th or 5th party because those not happy with the 2 we have are still significantly divided in many key issues. I'd love to see candidates not tied to the existing 2 parties be more successful in elections but to think they are going to fit your ideals any more than some of the current candidates is wishful thinking at best. Edited October 12, 2021 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Highmark said: Just what exactly is the middle ground? Even that to each of us is likely somewhat different. It surely isn't what Bernie and "the squad" are pushing for. Parts of what moto claims to desire is not all that far at least in the direction of that many of us want....less govt but deep down how much of America really wants that. Point is there is no magical 3rd or 4th or 5th party because those not happy with the 2 we have are still significantly divided in many key issues. I'd love to see candidates not tied to the existing 2 parties be more successful in elections but to think they are going to fit your ideals any more than some of the current candidates is wishful thinking at best. Good post. The mythical 3rd party cure all. How about we start holding political leadership to the same standards as NFL coaches. No fucking around there….You’re gone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 12, 2021 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 12, 2021 40 minutes ago, Cold War said: Good post. The mythical 3rd party cure all. How about we start holding political leadership to the same standards as NFL coaches. No fucking around there….You’re gone. Yep the idea that another party will completely fit or be ideal for anyone who doesn't think enough of their values are matched by the current 2 party system is laughable. Don't get me wrong I want candidates to run as independents but chances are a so called "middle party" would only make one of the other 2 stronger. Maybe even both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 An independent president without representation in congress and senate would be a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SShooterZ Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I think its too late to recover. Both parties have become "For Profit" organizations and they're in charge of making the rules. No way they'll give up their power and wealth. And they'll make sure no outside party disrupts it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Cold War said: Good post. The mythical 3rd party cure all. How about we start holding political leadership to the same standards as NFL coaches. No fucking around there….You’re gone. How do you propose that be accomplished? Are you going to have some sort of King that comes in and removes them with like the military or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bontz Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Threaten all of them with a visit from a Clinton "associate" and that will do the trick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 55 minutes ago, motonoggin said: How do you propose that be accomplished? Are you going to have some sort of King that comes in and removes them with like the military or something? No, I figured some poorly constructed memes on the internet would accomplish it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Skidooski said: Ding ding Not going to add to ruining the meme thread, so I’ll move this here. How do you ever convince the American people they are the real problem? How can we ever reach this goal with a corrupt media? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 hours ago, SShooterZ said: I think its too late to recover. Both parties have become "For Profit" organizations and they're in charge of making the rules. No way they'll give up their power and wealth. And they'll make sure no outside party disrupts it. Yes. 13 minutes ago, Cold War said: Not going to add to ruining the meme thread, so I’ll move this here. How do you ever convince the American people they are the real problem? How can we ever reach this goal with a corrupt media? War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Jackson Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Highmark said: Yep the idea that another party will completely fit or be ideal for anyone who doesn't think enough of their values are matched by the current 2 party system is laughable. Don't get me wrong I want candidates to run as independents but chances are a so called "middle party" would only make one of the other 2 stronger. Maybe even both. The problem is those that call themselves Independent, Bernie for example, are nothing but shills. They have no guts. Talk a bunch of shit but when they're told to go kneel in the corner they do as they're told. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Cold War said: Not going to add to ruining the meme thread, so I’ll move this here. How do you ever convince the American people they are the real problem? How can we ever reach this goal with a corrupt media? You don't because the people aren't the problem, the system is the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 9 hours ago, motonoggin said: And this is exactly how they keep you sheep in line. Just stop voting. Participating in this sham is tacit submission to their authority. I've contemplated just that, as I'm convinced the integrity of the voting system has been corrupted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, motonoggin said: You don't because the people aren't the problem, the system is the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 10:29 AM, Jimmy Snacks said: He makes a good point but clearly he has upset some of you…apparently having your partisan hackery criticized hurts your feels.🤣 How frightened must someone must be to resort to JT brand ignoring. My god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Cold War said: Human behavior is influenced by conditions. Change the conditions and you change the behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, DriftBusta said: I've contemplated just that, as I'm convinced the integrity of the voting system has been corrupted. It's been that way for a long, long time. They can't manufacture consent if people quit voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepr2 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Human behavior is influenced by conditions. Change the conditions and you change the behavior. Have you changed the “ conditions “ for your “ employees “ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said: Have you changed the “ conditions “ for your “ employees “ Are you looking for business advice or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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