Former McDonald's CEO warns $15 minimum wage directly contributing to fast-food industry's automation push

[DriftBusta]

6 minutes ago, Snake said:

Read the same.

x3.  About the only print media source left that you can still get some unbiased news, or at least a balance of right/left.  Cuz it sure as fuck ain't the NY Times, Washington Post or Boston fucking Globe.

Edited June 9, 2021 by DriftBusta

[Cold War]

7 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

I've been teaching my daughter this for years;  It takes so little effort for smart people to move up and do very, very well for themselves due to so many now just not motivated to do anything.  Hell, I believe you can under-promise and over-deliver by accident on a daily basis now.  There's just not much competition willing to step up these days.  Just a lot of whining.

Shit...I just read an article in the WSJ about one employer than no longer hires from Ivy League schools because of their poor work ethic and instilled entitlement.  They just aren't motivated to do anything.....but be an activist.

 

classic! 

[racer254]

18 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

Yeah you can slave with a boss you hate. Find another job with a boss you like for now, then you hate him. Start your own company you say? Deal with hiring employees, dealing with ass fuck customers and employees who don’t show on mondays and fridays…..hard to fire because there isn’t good help available to replace. Make payroll, having customers who don’t pay, dealing with all the HR crap. Emergency calls 24/7.

Learn a trade and then take a government job….end of story. 

Never a doubt in my mind that people like you, spin, and many other liberals believe this....it is the problem in this country.

[Snake]

The most infamous university in Palestine has a new president, and, surprisingly, he is an American professor at an Ivy League school. Starting in the Fall 2021 semester, Beshara Doumani, director of Brown University’s Center for Middle East Studies, will take a two-year leave of absence to become the fifth president of Birzeit University, located in the West Bank town of Birzeit, just a few miles from Ramallah.

[Highmark]

32 minutes ago, 1jkw said:

Very few made that wage here, I would say more people recently make better wages. Most guys just wont pay better wages and once the worker learns the trade he starts doing it themselves.

Most actually don't want the trouble of running a business.   It means much longer hours and more financial risk.   

In the "trades" its much more prevalent of losing someone to someone else than them going out on their own.

[Angry ginger]

2 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Most actually don't want the trouble of running a business.   It means much longer hours and more financial risk.   

In the "trades" its much more prevalent of losing someone to someone else than them going out on their own.

takes a special mindset to take all the risk.    While I have been commissioned/bonus for the vast majority of my income since i started working I never took the leap to go on my own and take all the risk associated with it.    

 

[Highmark]

1 minute ago, Angry ginger said:

takes a special mindset to take all the risk.    While I have been commissioned/bonus for the vast majority of my income since i started working I never took the leap to go on my own and take all the risk associated with it.    

 

You don't worry about 1 family you worry about 10, 20, 30+.   However many are working for you.   Maybe not all "bosses" think this way but many of us do. 

[Angry ginger]

Just now, Highmark said:

You don't worry about 1 family you worry about 10, 20, 30+.   However many are working for you.   Maybe not all "bosses" think this way but many of us do. 

exactly.  guy who owns our company had the stomach for it and this place just sold,  published sales price estimated to be just under 200m.  he had to take investors several times to keep the door open and bills being paid and it paid off but 

[Cold War]

14 minutes ago, Highmark said:

Most actually don't want the trouble of running a business.   It means much longer hours and more financial risk.   

In the "trades" its much more prevalent of losing someone to someone else than them going out on their own.

People have no idea what it takes to run a business today.   It  is just so much easier being a employee.  My buddy was in last week.  Small FAB shop with 9 employees.  Sick of it.  I have 10 wives ,  18 kids ,  now.  Let someone else deal with all their problems.  

[Snake]

Boss called and gave me the day off today.

[Highmark]

11 minutes ago, Angry ginger said:

exactly.  guy who owns our company had the stomach for it and this place just sold,  published sales price estimated to be just under 200m.  he had to take investors several times to keep the door open and bills being paid and it paid off but 

 

8 minutes ago, Cold War said:

People have no idea what it takes to run a business today.   It  is just so much easier being a employee.  My buddy was in last week.  Small FAB shop with 9 employees.  Sick of it.  I have 10 wives ,  18 kids ,  now.  Let someone else deal with all their problems.  

This. 

Until you done it you simply do not know.   Weekly we have to deal with a fight between a spouse, a kid in trouble, someone gets in trouble....you name it.   You are a boss, a teacher, a parent, a friend.   If you care about your employee's being their boss is just a small part of the job.  

A good portion of my free time is going to workers kids grad parties or weddings, maybe a parent or grandparent's funeral.   Its like I have 70-80 more first cousins.  

Edited June 9, 2021 by Highmark

[Snake]

45 minutes ago, Highmark said:

 

This. 

Until you done it you simply do not know.   Weekly we have to deal with a fight between a spouse, a kid in trouble, someone gets in trouble....you name it.   You are a boss, a teacher, a parent, a friend.   If you care about your employee's being their boss is just a small part of the job.  

A good portion of my free time is going to workers kids grad parties or weddings, maybe a parent or grandparent's funeral.   Its like I have 70-80 more first cousins.  

While in Germany I had a specialist get killed drunk driving. I had to accompany him back to the States and attend the funeral.

That alone was enough to steer me clear.

[Cold War]

47 minutes ago, Highmark said:

 

This. 

Until you done it you simply do not know.   Weekly we have to deal with a fight between a spouse, a kid in trouble, someone gets in trouble....you name it.   You are a boss, a teacher, a parent, a friend.   If you care about your employee's being their boss is just a small part of the job.  

A good portion of my free time is going to workers kids grad parties or weddings, maybe a parent or grandparent's funeral.   Its like I have 70-80 more first cousins.  

It is a incredible amount of work and stress.  Never ends.  Friends/ family will call me all hours,  weekends, holidays , while  I’m on vacation.  Wanting to talk about their car problems.   Then they give my personal number to their friends. 🙄

[racer254]

12 minutes ago, Cold War said:

It is a incredible amount of work and stress.  Never ends.  Friends/ family will call me all hours,  weekends, holidays , while  I’m on vacation.  Wanting to talk about their car problems.   Then they give my personal number to their friends. 🙄

Isn't it really amazing to see the difference between the people that have started their own business, their success, their values and how they vote.  Just in this thread you can see a stark difference in the mindset.

[Zambroski]

Where is @Slinger when you need his advice on running a business?

[1jkw]

1 hour ago, Highmark said:

Most actually don't want the trouble of running a business.   It means much longer hours and more financial risk.   

In the "trades" its much more prevalent of losing someone to someone else than them going out on their own.

Years ago we had 6 or so good size companies in the HVAC, plumbing, electrical  business, now I think the biggest has maybe 5 employees, but we have 20 to 30 1 or 2 guy operations now, some really shoddy work too.

[motonoggin]

All you guys that see this as some sort of justified moral punishment for the "lazy" or "entitled" worker are completely missing the point. 

After 40 years of stagnant wages and exploding debt, you'd think everyone would be embracing a rise in wages. 

But instead, you're reveling in the strife of an entry level worker and blaming a macroeconomic problem on individuals. 

You're like crabs in a barrel. 

This is why capitalists are their own gravediggers and communism is inevitable. 

Eventually enough people will realize that we have the collective power to shape our reality however we want. We'll realize that scarcity is often engineered and artificial. We'll realize that money is a merely a social construct. 

That's when the transition to a better economic arrangement that you constantly warn about, but tacitly encourage on a daily basis, will begin.

[Zambroski]

6 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

All you guys that see this as some sort of justified moral punishment for the "lazy" or "entitled" worker are completely missing the point. 

After 40 years of stagnant wages and exploding debt, you'd think everyone would be embracing a rise in wages. 

But instead, you're reveling in the strife of an entry level worker and blaming a macroeconomic problem on individuals. 

You're like crabs in a barrel. 

This is why capitalists are their own gravediggers and communism is inevitable. 

Eventually enough people will realize that we have the collective power to shape our reality however we want. We'll realize that scarcity is often engineered and artificial. We'll realize that money is a merely a social construct. 

That's when the transition to a better economic arrangement that you constantly warn about, but tacitly encourage on a daily basis, will begin.

This graphic is incorrect though and that’s been shown to you dozens of times.

”Strife of an entry  worker”??? I’ll try not to laugh at this statement and just ask, what do you consider an “entry level worker”?

[teamgreen02]

14 hours ago, Big Crappie said:

It's not just wages. Automation shows up every day on time, doesn't call in at the last minute, need pregnancy leave or all the other issues humans bring to the table. We all knew this was coming but no doubt this rush to raise the minimum wage right away rather than over time is causing companies to move much faster.

Work will either be automated or moved out of the country.  

2 hours ago, 1jkw said:

That would be 1.5 to 2 million here, maybe more.

Same here, that seems like a good day.  Housing here is going crazy.  I was looking the other day to see what a local place was listing for.  $685k when a few years back it was in the $400k range.  Something worth moving for a step up for us was $750k.  I just laughed, forget about it.  We will have this place paid for in less than 10 years and be able to retire early if we want to.

2 hours ago, Zambroski said:

Personally, I'd prefer the better and quicker service that automation may provide at fast food, and other, places.  Service has become unbearable at many.

This is a bit "off" in topic but, I've been in the south for about 8 months now and this place is just fucked on the service end.  I mean, complete abortion.  With very few exceptions, you are treated rudely...like you are bothering the ones being paid to do the customer service.  This is in no way my imagination.  I've actually started to quasi document some of it to see just how bad it is (my old HR habits dying hard).  The fact is, this is what many employers have now...just a bunch of entitled and bitter people seemingly believing they are worth whatever they think they are and have really managed to strangle establishments.  Now, I also acknowledge that geography plays into this.  We spend a few days back up in DOOLOOTH and I did some patronizing of several establishments.  I mean, WOW...don't know what you got, til it's gone.  What a difference.  I can't wait to get it back again.

TLDR:  T-Bell in the south sucks compared to up north.

[Zambroski]

21 minutes ago, teamgreen02 said:

Work will either be automated or moved out of the country.  

Same here, that seems like a good day.  Housing here is going crazy.  I was looking the other day to see what a local place was listing for.  $685k when a few years back it was in the $400k range.  Something worth moving for a step up for us was $750k.  I just laughed, forget about it.  We will have this place paid for in less than 10 years and be able to retire early if we want to.

TLDR:  T-Bell in the south sucks compared to up north.

READ IT ANYWAY!!!!!!  LOL!

It’s pretty bad down here.  All of it.  Rude and inept.  That’s what they have to operate these franchises and that’s what is pouring into the southern states.

[Highmark]

51 minutes ago, motonoggin said:

All you guys that see this as some sort of justified moral punishment for the "lazy" or "entitled" worker are completely missing the point. 

After 40 years of stagnant wages and exploding debt, you'd think everyone would be embracing a rise in wages. 

But instead, you're reveling in the strife of an entry level worker and blaming a macroeconomic problem on individuals. 

You're like crabs in a barrel. 

This is why capitalists are their own gravediggers and communism is inevitable. 

Eventually enough people will realize that we have the collective power to shape our reality however we want. We'll realize that scarcity is often engineered and artificial. We'll realize that money is a merely a social construct. 

That's when the transition to a better economic arrangement that you constantly warn about, but tacitly encourage on a daily basis, will begin.

I completely applaud naturally rising wages and just one of the reasons I'm such an advocate on controlling all immigration not just illegal.   What we are experiencing here is not natural market forces.   A overly exaggerated pandemic that with excessive govt handouts has more to do with people not going back to work than some awakening on wages.

At what point will portions of society ever be happy with what they are being paid?  You honestly think $15.00/hr tied to inflation will suddenly make all those able but not willing to work do so or will they simply keep asking for more?

You think a society without rewards for hard work could ever dream of accomplishing what America has today?

If ever this "revolution" comes about you so badly desire I don't think the results will be what you think.  Never in history has it and it will lead to far greater and more widespread poverty than we have now.  You seem to constantly misunderstand that everyone wants all to prosper and succeed....we just disagree on the way to achieve it for the most people.

 

Edited June 9, 2021 by Highmark

[Zambroski]

6 minutes ago, Highmark said:

I completely applaud naturally rising wages and just one of the reasons I'm such an advocate on controlling all immigration not just illegal.   What we are experiencing here is not natural market forces.   A overly exaggerated pandemic that with excessive govt handouts has more to do with people not going back to work than some awakening on wages.

At what point will portions of society ever be happy with what they are being paid?  You honestly think $15.00/hr tied to inflation will suddenly make all those able but not willing to work do so or will they simply keep asking for more?

You think a society without rewards for hard work could ever dream of accomplishing what America has today?

If there is ever this "revolution" comes about you so badly desire I don't think the results will be what you think.  Never in history has it and it will lead to far greater and more widespread poverty than we have now.  You seem to constantly misunderstand that everyone wants all to prosper and succeed....we just disagree on the way to achieve it for the most people.

 

Is it this or, is it more of that so many now don’t want anybody to prosper and succeed?  “We should all be the weakest links!”

[Highmark]

9 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

Is it this or, is it more of that so many now don’t want anybody to prosper and succeed?  “We should all be the weakest links!”

Or for sure that is a part of the left or his side's thinking.  

I remember a time my liberal democrat MIL talking about the wealthy saying to me in a rhetorical tone "nobody needs that much do they" and I simply replied "well how many would have nothing or less if some didn't want more and worked their ass off to get it."   She really didn't have a response. 

To quote the Incredibles 

 “When everyone is super, no one will be.”

“Everyone is special, Dash”. Dash retorts back to her, “Which is another way of saying that no one is.”

Edited June 9, 2021 by Highmark

[1jkw]

33 minutes ago, Highmark said:

I completely applaud naturally rising wages and just one of the reasons I'm such an advocate on controlling all immigration not just illegal.   What we are experiencing here is not natural market forces.   A overly exaggerated pandemic that with excessive govt handouts has more to do with people not going back to work than some awakening on wages.

At what point will portions of society ever be happy with what they are being paid?  You honestly think $15.00/hr tied to inflation will suddenly make all those able but not willing to work do so or will they simply keep asking for more?

You think a society without rewards for hard work could ever dream of accomplishing what America has today?

If ever this "revolution" comes about you so badly desire I don't think the results will be what you think.  Never in history has it and it will lead to far greater and more widespread poverty than we have now.  You seem to constantly misunderstand that everyone wants all to prosper and succeed....we just disagree on the way to achieve it for the most people.

 

To some degree that is true, but I think it varies by area, our area has been short on labor since mid 2000's except for say 08/--2010 even then good people had zero problem getting a job.  I think the shortage now has a lot to do with early retirement, many people I know retired earlier than planned due to the work ethic of the younger people coming in behind them, and that was well before the pandemic, add in the extra checks and UE payments made it worse. 

[Mainecat]

1 hour ago, motonoggin said:

All you guys that see this as some sort of justified moral punishment for the "lazy" or "entitled" worker are completely missing the point. 

After 40 years of stagnant wages and exploding debt, you'd think everyone would be embracing a rise in wages. 

But instead, you're reveling in the strife of an entry level worker and blaming a macroeconomic problem on individuals. 

You're like crabs in a barrel. 

This is why capitalists are their own gravediggers and communism is inevitable. 

Eventually enough people will realize that we have the collective power to shape our reality however we want. We'll realize that scarcity is often engineered and artificial. We'll realize that money is a merely a social construct. 

That's when the transition to a better economic arrangement that you constantly warn about, but tacitly encourage on a daily basis, will begin.

Just about the time a one earner household went away.