Woodtick Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: It is no more uneven than feeding via mains. It is the division of the loads that balances or unbalances the split leg, not the source (if running nominally). We can. "right way" is arbitrarily defined. There is nothing "wrong" with back feeding from a technical standpoint, and if properly done, it is safe and reasonable way to power a home during outages. Neal Show me a link to the code in any state, that says it’s code to back feed a panel through the dryer breaker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Woodtick said: Show me a link to the code in any state, that says it’s code to back feed a panel through the dryer breaker? Code doesn't dictate my life, nor is it the arbiter of how things can be done. Not every one of my receptacles is 2' or more apart, and in some instances I have greater than 12' between receptacles. Code is broken!!!111 I do grant that following code is often a very good idea. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Code doesn't dictate my life, nor is it the arbiter of how things can be done. Not every one of my receptacles is 2' or more apart, and in some instances I have greater than 12' between receptacles. Code is broken!!!111 I do grant that following code is often a very good idea. Neal http://coopergeneratorservices.com/generator-illegal-backfeeding-dangerous/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NaturallyAspirated Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, Woodtick said: http://coopergeneratorservices.com/generator-illegal-backfeeding-dangerous/ It is dangerous if you have the main breaker turned on, no doubt. If off it is not a danger to utility workers. This unbalanced loads nonsense is complete bullshit. Loads being unbalanced has nothing to do with back feeding at all. This is simply bad information. The home loads will be unbalanced irrespective of back feeding or feeding from mains. This is a scare article from the coop so that ignorant people don't back feed and leave mains on and perhaps hurt or kill a worker. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, Woodtick said: Neal = Wrongo. I back feed, and do it properly. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Back feeding. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Mileage Psycho said: A few things could be: Bad connection creating heat, low grade short that creates heat without blowing the breaker, dead short and the breaker fails to open. As you know there are 2 types of cans. One that’s rated for insulation contact and one that’s not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 39 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Back feeding. Neal Is that a extension cord going across a rubber hose on that propane tank? What is that rubber hose propane tank feeding in the house? You have to use a hand truck to move a little propane tank Olive Oil arms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Just now, Woodtick said: Is that a extension cord going across a rubber hose on that propane tank? What is that rubber hose propane tank feeding in the house? You have to use a hand truck to move a little propane tank Olive Oil arms? No, that's cord is what I was using to smoke the turkey the day before. Notice the smoker in the foreground. Torch was to crystallize the glaze on the honey ham. It's strapped on the hand truck to code fool! Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Just now, NaturallyAspirated said: No, that's cord is what I was using to smoke the turkey the day before. Notice the smoker in the foreground. Torch was to crystallize the glaze on the honey ham. It's strapped on the hand truck to code fool! Neal You used a weed burner to glaze the ham? How big was the ham? Buy yourself a $20 map gas torch,you fucking billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Woodtick said: You used a weed burner to glaze the ham? How big was the ham? Buy yourself a $20 map gas torch,you fucking billy. I have a MAP torch for starting baby fires in the fire pit. Anything serious and the big btu boy comes out! Proper order: Done smoking, add crystalline glazing: Then torch (not no MAP wimpass shit either...) Then back on the smoker for cool down: Neal Edited November 28, 2019 by NaturallyAspirated 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodtick Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 minute ago, NaturallyAspirated said: I have a MAP torch for starting baby fires in the fire pit. Anything serious and the big btu boy comes out! Proper order: Done smoking, add crystalline glazing: Then torch (not not MAP wimpass shit either...) Then back on the smoker for cool down: Neal Damn,that looks fantastic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 My three gens. One on the right is 21 years old. Big red on the left is about 3-4 years old. Little two-stroke about same, 3-4 years. This is the Coleman transfer switch, and the switch installed in the cellar. This is the negro-rigged direct plug for the burner only, running off an extension cord from that small 120 volt, two-stroke gen. I could also run an extension from either of the big gens 120 v, if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Irv, look into that GenerLink. If not that, then get a transfer switch of some kind, installed by an electrician. Be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 28, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted November 28, 2019 I just make sure I have power. No need for back up power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Just now, BOHICA said: I just make sure I have power. No need for back up power Whaddya' mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 28, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted November 28, 2019 Just now, Polaris 550 said: Whaddya' mean? If the power goes I just go fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Just now, BOHICA said: If the power goes I just go fix it. HA!HA!HA! OK, Superman!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 28, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Polaris 550 said: HA!HA!HA! OK, Superman!!!!! I’m a mile from our substation. Jump in my utility provide work truck and drive out the circuit. Usually just a blown fuse cutout. Call dispatch and tell them I’m going to replace a fuse in a cutout and slam it home with a long lineman. Power come on for a couple hundred people. Simple Edited November 28, 2019 by BOHICA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 We don't have city/town water, we have a well in our cellar. One shallow well pump, and another as back-up. I can switch back and forth on either of them. We have no city gas. We have an oil-fired steam boiler. We have no city sewage, we have a septic tank. So basically, when the power goes out...…………………..We're SCREWED!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, BOHICA said: I’m a mile from our substation. Jump in my utility provide work truck and drive out the circuit. Usually just a blown fuse cutout. Call dispatch and tell them I’m going to replace a fuse in a cutout and slam it home with a long lineman. Power come on for a couple hundred people. Simple OK, BOHICAMAN, I'll try that next time power is out. 72 year old, overweight guy, riding up and down the road, with an aluminum extension ladder stickin- out the back of his pick-up truck, lookin' for downed lines or blown breakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member BOHICA Posted November 28, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted November 28, 2019 35 minutes ago, Polaris 550 said: OK, BOHICAMAN, I'll try that next time power is out. 72 year old, overweight guy, riding up and down the road, with an aluminum extension ladder stickin- out the back of his pick-up truck, lookin' for downed lines or blown breakers. Aluminum ladder???? R u stupid or something. You don’t use ladders to turn on power!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mileage Psycho Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 5 hours ago, XCR1250 said: Few years ago during a Power restore in my area, they forgot to hook up my neutral wire after the Storm had knocked the Power pole down, I was on the fire Department helping others, at the time, when I came home I noticed my Fridge was humming and a couple radios were smoking, they paid for all the damage but that was scary. Lose the neutral and it all becomes a series circuit, fry electroincs, motors, etc. 3 hours ago, NaturallyAspirated said: It is dangerous if you have the main breaker turned on, no doubt. If off it is not a danger to utility workers. This unbalanced loads nonsense is complete bullshit. Loads being unbalanced has nothing to do with back feeding at all. This is simply bad information. The home loads will be unbalanced irrespective of back feeding or feeding from mains. This is a scare article from the coop so that ignorant people don't back feed and leave mains on and perhaps hurt or kill a worker. Neal The imbalance comes from people picking various breakers to leave on and off, having too many loads on one leg of the 240 volt will overload the grounded conductor, that's how fires start. Do the fucking job right , don't be a hack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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