Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 12, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I love how "they're just trying to make money" is a justification one day, and a condemnation the next... *Nike hires Kap* "Pfft. They're just trying to make money" *Drug company gouges sick people* "But they're just trying to make money" I'm not justifying shit. Just posted there are alternatives and guess at why he is taking this public by answering the way he did. Considering there are alternatives it completely retarded on the business side. It would be one thing if this was the only drug in town but the fact there are at least 4 other drugs makes one think there has to be alternative motives for doing what he is. Edited September 12, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Highmark said: I'm not justifying shit. Just posted there are alternatives and guess at why he is taking this public by answering the way he did. Considering there are alternatives it completely retarded on the business side. It would be one thing if this was the only drug in town but the fact there are at least 4 other drugs makes one think there has to be alternative motives for doing what he is. Oh ok you're right, you don't ever try to justify any bad actors or bad actions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 12, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: Oh ok you're right, you don't ever try to justify any bad actors or bad actions... Like when? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, Highmark said: Like when? Like fucking always you fucking bootlicking fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 12, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2018 (edited) Just now, motonoggin said: Like fucking always you fucking bootlicking fuck. I have nothing so I will call someone a bootlicker. Edited September 12, 2018 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, Highmark said: I have nothing so I will call someone a bootlicker. I'll make sure I point it out next time. Should be about 5 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 12, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: I'll make sure I point it out next time. Should be about 5 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Drug prices could not be what they are without government involvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchy Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 47 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: is he wrong? his duty is to the shareholders not patients. Healthcare is a market that the government must intervene in at some point when they pull their balls out of the healthcare industries purse. This includes both the drug manufacturers and the point of care providers excess, but they lobby almost as well as the MIC to keep the gravy train going. Funny thing is the insurance companies take the most heat yet end of the day are the least responsible for the issue, sure they add a cost to the system but they are the only ones trying to hold the drug companies and healthcare providers accountable at this point.. there is nothing 'moral' about his duty to shareholders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 37 minutes ago, Highmark said: I have nothing so I will call someone a bootlicker. It’s the “go-to” remark. I’ve grown to find it almost as adorable as being called a “racist”. Both literally means just what you’ve said; “got nothing”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 4 hours ago, motonoggin said: capitalism is supposed to fix this, but it won't. Weird. True capitalism would. Croney capitalism can’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rod Johnson said: True capitalism would. Croney capitalism can’t So you're saying capitalism only works on paper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, motonoggin said: So you're saying capitalism only works on paper? No it works well until liberals fuck it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Rod Johnson said: No it works well until liberals fuck it up Not a very good system if it's really easy to fuck it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: Not a very good system if it's really easy to fuck it up. Probably better than a system that can never actually be implemented tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 hours ago, motonoggin said: Well, that or worker ownership of the means of production. What qualifies one as a worker though? Is there a minimum of hours I would have to work? What if I an unable to work, physically or mentally? Are all ownership stakes equal, meaning does one get the same reward for sweeping the lab floor as the one who draws the blood in the lab, and are the the equal of the doctor who does the analyzing of the blood and interfacing with the patient? Seems to me those would be difficult situations to render as equal in ownership. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaturallyAspirated Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 40 minutes ago, motonoggin said: So you're saying capitalism only works on paper? Same with socialism. We need something of a blend of capitalism to keep the motivation factor engaged, and the social saftey net of socialism. The system will be unbalanced, leaning more towards capitalism, and a minor contingent of socialism. Neal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted September 12, 2018 Author Share Posted September 12, 2018 36 minutes ago, NaturallyAspirated said: Same with socialism. We need something of a blend of capitalism to keep the motivation factor engaged, and the social saftey net of socialism. The system will be unbalanced, leaning more towards capitalism, and a minor contingent of socialism. Neal Socialism describes a system in which workers own the means of production. Social safety nets meant to catch those left behind by capitalism aren't socialism, they're merely welfare measures designed to support capitalism. The notion that people won't work unless they're coerced by the threat of poverty or the promise of vast wealth is patently ridiculous. People may not want to work for shitheel capitalists and produce surplus value for them to steal, but that's not exactly the same as not wanting to work. The worth of a human being is more than what amount of surplus value they can produce for some capitalist wank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Stephen Hawking Posted September 12, 2018 Gold Member Share Posted September 12, 2018 6 hours ago, steve from amherst said: 1954? Why are there not 3 competitors making a generic? From what I've read this company makes the liquid version, 3 or 4 other companies make the common pill form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA Contributing Member $poorsledder$ Posted September 12, 2018 USA Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2018 8 hours ago, NaturallyAspirated said: What would fix it? Neal Let people buy from other countries........ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 7 hours ago, Angry ginger said: is he wrong? his duty is to the shareholders not patients. Healthcare is a market that the government must intervene in at some point when they pull their balls out of the healthcare industries purse. This includes both the drug manufacturers and the point of care providers excess, but they lobby almost as well as the MIC to keep the gravy train going. Funny thing is the insurance companies take the most heat yet end of the day are the least responsible for the issue, sure they add a cost to the system but they are the only ones trying to hold the drug companies and healthcare providers accountable at this point.. I think the Insurers are co-conspirators with the pharms and med networks. Cost of care goes up, so do premiums. If you are working off of a margin the higher the cost the higher the profits. I have had this conversation with other union contractors who bitch about union rates. If the union was out and we could pay half, and our margins are 20-30% then now I have to do twice as much business to make what I did before. The problem comes when the service is priced out of the market and people (or corps) can no longer afford it. So when does that happen for health care providers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, $poorsledder$ said: Let people buy from other countries........ Getting medical procedures in other countries has actually been going on. I know several people who get dental work done in Mexico. And for major medical India is providing exceptional service for a fraction of the cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 12, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2018 37 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said: The problem comes when the service is priced out of the market and people (or corps) can no longer afford it. So when does that happen for health care providers? For many people it has already happened. So ins co's got democrats to throw em a lifeline to keep the scam going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, steve from amherst said: For many people it has already happened. So ins co's got democrats to throw em a lifeline to keep the scam going. Part of the problem is if more people are uninsured it drives up the price for the rest of us. medical bills are a leading cause of bankruptcy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member steve from amherst Posted September 12, 2018 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nazipigdog said: Part of the problem is if more people are uninsured it drives up the price for the rest of us. medical bills are a leading cause of bankruptcy. Actually no , they are not. That little gem study was proven to have an agenda and many untruths. The biggest being that 78% of those bankruptcies the person filing had medical bills that totaled less then $1500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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