Would Ruth Bader Ginsburg have to recuse herself if Donald Trump wins?

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So the justices are supposed to recuse themselves in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned. But the individual justice is the only one that can make that decision

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By Ariane de Vogue, CNN Supreme Court Reporter

Updated 5:17 PM ET, Wed July 13, 2016

 

(CNN)Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's scathing comments about Donald Trump have created a political firestorm, but they may also have a dramatic impact on the final result of the race for the White House as well.

If the Supreme Court finds itself in the position of deciding the presidential election -- as it did in 2000 between Al Gore and George W. Bush -- some legal experts say the liberal icon would likely have to recuse herself.

"A federal law requires all federal judges, including the justices, to recuse themselves if their 'impartiality might reasonably be questioned'," said Stephen Gillers, a legal ethicist at New York University School of Law.

"Under this test, Justice Ginsburg's remarks would prevent her from sitting in the unlikely event of a 'Clinton v. Trump' case that determines the next president," he said.

Ginsburg attacked Trump in no uncertain terms this week, calling him a "faker" in an interview with CNN legal analyst Joan Biskupic. To The New York Times, Ginsburg said, "I can't imagine what this place would be -- I can't imagine what the country would be -- with Donald Trump as our president."

Gillers was referring to 28 U.S. Code 455 that says "Any justice, judge, or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned."

But the individual justices decide for themselves whether recusal is warranted or necessary.

"If a Trump election-related question made it to the Supreme Court, I expect that the Trump team would move for Justice Ginsburg to recuse herself," said Rick Hasen, an election law expert who runs the Election Law Blog.

"Justice Ginsburg herself would decide on that motion, as there is no other mechanism for recusal," Hasen said.

Steven Lubet, of Northwestern Pritzker School of Law, agrees with Gillers that Ginsburg would need to recuse herself in the event of a disputed election.

"Having said she considers Trump unfit to be president, she should not be among those who rule upon the outcome of the election," he said.

Trump on Tuesday night said Ginsburg should simply quit the bench.

"Justice Ginsburg of the U.S. Supreme Court has embarrassed all by making very dumb political statements about me. Her mind is shot - resign!

Taking the hypothetical Clinton v. Trump scenario even further, a Ginsburg recusal in such as lawsuit could mean only seven justices remain to decide the fate of the election. Senate Republicans have not acted -- and repeatedly say they will not act -- on the nomination of Judge Merrick Garland to replace the late Justice Antonin Scalia.

But Lubet said the question of Ginsburg's comments would not extend to cases that might arise dealing with policies or programs in a hypothetical Trump presidency.

"An administration is constantly before the court," Lubet said.

"Policies don't involve the personal fortunes of the president, so challenges on executive power or the legality of programs would not trigger disqualification," he added.

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Besides the federal law, there is also a Code of Conduct that governs lower court judges but is not binding for the Supreme Court.

Lubet has been critical of the system and says the Supreme Court should fully adopt such a code.

"As matters now stand, unfortunately, each justice is a law unto herself or himself, setting their own standards whatever they might be," he said.

In 2003, for instance, Scalia recused himself from hearing a case concerning the Pledge of Allegiance after he had discussed the case in public.

A year later, however, he declined to recuse himself from a case involving Vice President Dick Cheney. The two had travelled together on a duck hunting trip and opponents questioned whether or not Scalia would be biased in the case. Scalia issued a 21-page memorandum explaining why he would not disqualify himself.

"In that case, I had accepted the invitation long before the case that was the alleged source of the conflict was before the court," Scalia told CNN's Piers Morgan in an interview in 2012. "Cheney was not personally the defendant. He was named because he was the head of the agency that was the defendant. And justices have never recused themselves because they are friends with the -- the named head of an agency."

He added, "If we had to recuse ourselves every time one of our friends was named, even though his personal fortune was not at stake, we would not sit in a lot of cases."

There is nothing of course stopping politicians from criticizing the Supreme Court or judicial branch in general. Trump cased a firestorm by calling for Golanzo Curiel, a federal judge overseeing a lawsuit related to Trump University, to recuse himself from that case because of Curiel's "Mexican heritage." That is relevant, Trump argues, because Trump has proposed building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

The question of recusal aside, debate is also ongoing over the wisdom of Ginsburg's remarks. The "Notorious RBG" is a liberal icon and her political leanings likely weren't in debate to begin with.

Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean at the University of California, Irvine, School of Law defended Ginsburg's comments in the Times.

"I think it is valuable for people to hear what the justices have to say on important issues, " he wrote. "As a lawyer and as a citizen, I'd always rather know what justices and judges think rather than have enforced silence and pretend they have no views."

Ian Millhiser, an unabashed liberal, said he believes that Ginsburg "unquestionably broke rules that exist to preserve the illusion of an apolitical judiciary."

But Millhiser added that the court has long been a political institution.

"I'd rather Ginsburg be honest about the Court's political nature than pretend otherwise -- in no small part because the illusion of a non-political Court reduces public pressure that could help make it less political, " he said.

 

The Times editorial board said Ginsburg's decision to "descend toward his level and call her own commitment to impartiality into question," is "baffling."

"Washington is more than partisan enough without the spectacle of a Supreme Court justice flinging herself into the mosh pit," the paper said in an editorial Wednesday.

And Paul Begala, a CNN commentator and adviser to pro-Hillary Clinton super PAC Priorities USA, said Ginsburg may have been in the wrong but also alluded to the 2000 Bush v Gore case, in which the court essentially ended the presidential race with a 5-4 decision along ideological lines in favor of the Republican nominee Bush.

"Of course Justice Ginsburg wrong to state political views before election. Sup Crt is supposed to wait and then steal the election for GOP," Begala tweeted.

Recent Supreme Court recusals

Chief Justice John Roberts addressed the issue in a 2011 report on the federal judiciary. At the time he was responding indirectly to questions of whether some justices should recuse themselves from hearing a case about the Affordable Care Act. Roberts said that the justices "may consider recusal in response to a request from a party in a pending case, or on their own initiative."

Roberts noted that justices don't often withdraw from a case "as a matter of convenience or simply to avoid controversy." Unlike the lower court if a justice withdraws from a case, he or she cannot be replaced.

"I have complete confidence in the capability of my colleagues to determine when recusal is warranted," the chief wrote, adding that, "they are jurists of exceptional integrity and experience."

Recusals generally happen in cases when the justice has a financial conflict, such as if he or she owns own stock in a company that has business before the court.

There are other personal reasons as well. Justice Elena Kagan recused herself from hearing the recent affirmative action case, Fisher v. the University of Texas, most likely because she had dealt with it before in her previous job as solicitor general for the Obama administration. Justice Stephen Breyer recused himself in cases decided by his brother who serves on the United States District Court for the Northern District of California.

 

 

 

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It's a cluster fawk.

[Capt.Storm]

Seeing lots of post like this ..

Mabel Neibol SHE IS LYING HER WAY TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE POOPLE ARE BLINDED. SHE IS 70 YEARS OLD WITH ALL THE ISSUES THAT A WOMAN HAS (BLADDER ISSUES, OSTEOPEROSIS ETC). SHE HAS A CLOT IN HER BRAIN AND BLINDED IN ONE EYE. BESIDE ALL THAT SHE LIES, IS DISHONEST,A THIEF, CROOKED AND NOT TRANSPARENT. SHE WILL DIVIDE THIS COUNTRY AND WILL PROMOTE AGENDAS WORST THAN OBAMA!

She's 70?

Don't look a day younger then 80 to me.

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Edited July 14, 2016 by Capt.Storm

[Cold War]

The crypt keeper should recuse herself permanently, she has no respect for the position she holds.

[Rod]

Supposedly she apologized 

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2 hours ago, Cold War said:

The crypt keeper should recuse herself permanently, she has no respect for the position she holds.

Exactly.  For a SCJ to say something so far out of their own ethical code is just plain sad.  I gotta agree with Trump on this....she's losing her mind.

1 minute ago, Sludgey said:

Supposedly she apologized 

Doesn't matter.  This isn't a high school kid making a "gaff" in class.  Piss poor judgment...FROM A FUCKING SCJ!!!!!!!!  Sad Irony.  But, take into account the recent actions of our Secretary of State, Attorney General and apparently the Head of the FBI.......this is Thunderdome!

[Rod]

1 minute ago, Zambroski said:

Exactly.  For a SCJ to say something so far out of their own ethical code is just plain sad.  I gotta agree with Trump on this....she's losing her mind.

Doesn't matter.  This isn't a high school kid making a "gaff" in class.  Piss poor judgment...FROM A FUCKING SCJ!!!!!!!!  Sad Irony.  But, take into account the recent actions of our Secretary of State, Attorney General and apparently the Head of the FBI.......this is Thunderdome!

of course, but dirty liberals don't care. Hillary said that she wants to appoint obama 

[Cold War]

21 minutes ago, Zambroski said:

Exactly.  For a SCJ to say something so far out of their own ethical code is just plain sad.  I gotta agree with Trump on this....she's losing her mind.

Doesn't matter.  This isn't a high school kid making a "gaff" in class.  Piss poor judgment...FROM A FUCKING SCJ!!!!!!!!  Sad Irony.  But, take into account the recent actions of our Secretary of State, Attorney General and apparently the Head of the FBI.......this is Thunderdome!

It is kind of funny / fucked up,  to hear a scj use the excuse I used bad judgment. 

Is this really someone you want making

Important decision affecting the country.

If a NFL referee showed anywhere near that kind of bias they would never ref another game.

Sad , that libs no longer care about rules, procedure, ethics.

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4 minutes ago, Cold War said:

It is kind of funny / fucked up,  to hear a scj use the excuse I used bad judgment. 

Is this really someone you want making

Important decision affecting the country.

If a NFL referee showed anywhere near that kind of bias they would never ref another game.

Sad , that libs no longer care about rules, procedure, ethics.

Yup.

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Isn't it funny how the left has to come up with cartoons and memes for the simpletons to try and have a rebuttal to common sense.

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Where's the common sense in refusing to act on a Supreme Court nominee?  

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Maybe the repubs want one of their own in after trump wins...man your thick.

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11 minutes ago, SnowRider said:

Where's the common sense in refusing to act on a Supreme Court nominee?  

Nobody wants Barrys leftard pick  

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18 minutes ago, Capt.Storm said:

Maybe the repubs want one of their own in after trump wins...man your thick.

You need to put it in a cartoon or meme for him to understand.

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She made her point

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1 minute ago, Mainecat said:

She made her point

Who the fuck you calling "she"?

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13 minutes ago, Mainecat said:

She made her point

There it is!

[Capt.Storm]

2 minutes ago, Sleepr2 said:

There it is!

There what is?

[Cold War]

2 hours ago, Capt.Storm said:

There what is?

 

14 hours ago, Cold War said:

It is kind of funny / fucked up,  to hear a scj use the excuse I used bad judgment. 

Is this really someone you want making

Important decision affecting the country.

If a NFL referee showed anywhere near that kind of bias they would never ref another game.

Sad , that libs no longer care about rules, procedure, ethics.

 

[Capt.Storm]

 

12 minutes ago, Cold War said:

Sad , that libs no longer care about rules, procedure, ethics.

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