Crnr2Crnr Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-trump-morning-consult-poll-2024-1847994 @ViperGTS/Z1 better start working overtime to pay off his bets. @Steve753 @Snakelikes polls too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Poor Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Trumps gonna lose by double digits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Poor Karen we're preparing the mules and have cracked the voting machines... ballot boxes and the postal carriers are on deck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: we're preparing the mules and have cracked the voting machines... ballot boxes and the postal carriers are on deck. Cliff Claven leading the charge!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, HSR said: Cliff Claven leading the charge!!! no, someone far more sinister 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Even Chris Cuomo. Hell is freezing over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoughnut Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Democrat voters are dumb, all Biden has to do is campaign on Student Loan Forgiveness, they will believe him and vote for him again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, snoughnut said: Democrat voters are dumb, all Biden has to do is campaign on Student Loan Forgiveness, they will believe him and vote for him again. Proof is right on this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Trump having a second term wouldn’t affect me in the least. Nor would a second biden term. People lose their shit over silly stuff. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Democrats have no Biden backup plan for 2024, despite age concerns Jeff Mason Updated Thu, November 30, 2023 at 10:18 AM CST·5 min read 13.2k By Jeff Mason WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Democratic Party has no Plan B if President Joe Biden decided for any reason to halt his 2024 re-election campaign, and a sudden need to replace him as its standard-bearer would spark a messy intraparty battle. Despite weak poll numbers and questions, including from some Democrats, about his age, Biden has stuck to his plan to seek a second term after clearing the field of serious Democratic primary challengers when he announced in April that he was running again. Even if more Democratic candidates were to jump in now, the path forward would be unclear as deadlines to get on the primary ballot in critical states such as Nevada, South Carolina and Georgia have already passed. Biden loyalists, citing his record in office, argue that the party does not need a backup plan to defeat probable Republican nominee Donald Trump, who Biden beat in the 2020 election. Among the possible scenarios if the president, 81, did drop out: Democrats could pick another nominee next August at their convention, or even later, in line with party rules. Reuters spoke to multiple current and former officials who, while making clear they want Biden to succeed, acknowledge the party could face upheaval should the oldest president in U.S. history encounter a health issue or step aside for other reasons during the White House contest. Biden's running mate, Vice President Kamala Harris, who has her own popularity problems, would not automatically replace him as the top candidate if he stepped aside; she would benefit from their joint campaign infrastructure if she ran for president in his absence, but other Democrats would likely swoop in to the race as well. "There is no Plan B. If he were ... suddenly not to run, everyone you know would run. The VP scares no one," a senior Democrat told Reuters. If Biden were to drop out while the Democratic primaries were ongoing, other candidates could join the race, depending on state filing requirements. It normally takes months to set up a presidential campaign and raise the money to run, and deadlines to get on the ballot in consequential states including California, Illinois and Michigan are approaching in the coming weeks. Democratic officials are united behind the president, despite some trepidation, they say; otherwise big name competitors already would have entered the race. "Joe Biden will be the Democratic nominee and he will beat whichever MAGA extremist the Republicans put forward,” Biden campaign spokesperson Daniel Wessel said, referring to former President Trump's "Make America Great Again" slogan. Trump, 77, the frontrunner for the Republican nomination, also faces concerns about his age and a litany of charges including mishandling of classified documents and interfering in the 2020 election, which he lost to Biden. He denies wrongdoing. Multiple candidates are challenging Trump in the Republican primary race, giving the party built-in alternatives in the unlikely event that Trump drops out. GOOD OF THE COUNTRY? To the chagrin of the White House, Biden's age has become a defining part of the 2024 campaign. David Axelrod, a top White House adviser during Barack Obama's presidency, said Biden needed to decide whether it was smart to run again, after November polling showed him lagging in key swing states against Trump. "If he continues to run, he will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. What he needs to decide is whether that is wise; whether it's in HIS best interest or the country's?" Axelrod wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter. A physical examination in February found Biden healthy and "fit for duty." Biden has long believed that he is the Democrat most likely to beat Trump, but a Reuters/Ipsos poll on Nov. 7 showed his approval rating at 39%, its lowest since April. Democrats' primary elections start in February and end in June. They hold their convention in Chicago in August. Biden is expected to win his party's nomination after an easy primary process. He has a massive lead in polls over declared Democratic challengers Marianne Williamson, a writer, and U.S. Representative Dean Phillips. If he dropped out after the last primaries in June 2024, delegates would be free to vote for another candidate in Chicago. Any departure before the convention would almost certainly lead to jockeying among a broad group of presidential hopefuls, including Harris and California Governor Gavin Newsom, to convince more than 4,000 Democratic delegates to give them the job. It would augur a return to a time in which convention delegates truly chose, not just rubber-stamped, their nominee. "If he drops out before the convention, we will have an old-fashioned convention where the delegates essentially get to make up their mind (on whom to vote for) regardless of who they were elected to represent," said Elaine Kamarck, an elections expert, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington and a member of the Democratic National Committee. That could spark intraparty warfare, leaving Democrats to mirror Republicans in a battle in which candidates spend time and money fighting each other. Things get more complicated if for any reason Biden dropped out after the convention. Kamarck, the author of the book "Primary Politics," said the 435 members of the DNC would then meet in a special session to select a nominee. There is some precedent for switching out a nominee. In 1972, then Senator George Eagleton withdrew as Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern's vice presidential running mate after revelations of his treatment for depression forced him out of the race. The DNC had an emergency meeting to fill the vacancy and selected Sargent Shriver to take his place. McGovern lost the election. Newsom has been particularly active as a "surrogate" for Biden by taking high-profile swipes at Republican presidential candidate Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida. Newsom's office did not respond to a request for comment. "A bunch of the surrogate activity we see out there - like Newsom all over helping Biden - is partially to remind Democratic voters they are out there as an option," the senior Democrat said. (Reporting by Jeff Mason; Editing by Heather Timmons and Alistair Bell) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Trump having a second term wouldn’t affect me in the least. Nor would a second biden term. People lose their shit over silly stuff. You live in a van Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: You live in a van and you in an underground bunker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted November 30, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 30, 2023 31 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Trump having a second term wouldn’t affect me in the least. Nor would a second biden term. People lose their shit over silly stuff. If I was in my Golden Years enjoying retirement I'd probably say the same thing. But I'm not that old yet so...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01mxz800 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Mainecat said: Trumps gonna lose by double digits. That's what you said in '16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 37 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: You live in a van He has waterfront property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, 01mxz800 said: That's what you said in '16 I was correct. He lost by over 3 million votes. Not the American voters choice was he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 10 minutes ago, Mainecat said: He has waterfront property. I have several. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: I have several. So does Spin Probably Lakefront at times as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: So does Spin Probably Lakefront at times as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 Just now, ArcticCrusher said: that's a swamp... like Washington DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: I have several. Dude, nobody cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 36 minutes ago, spin_dry said: Dude, nobody cares. Karen does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bontz Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Mainecat said: I was correct. He lost by over 3 million votes. Not the American voters choice was he? And that's why Democrats want to abolish the Electoral College .. because California will always vote blue. I think this is a bit more representative: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted November 30, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-trump-morning-consult-poll-2024-1847994 @ViperGTS/Z1 better start working overtime to pay off his bets. @Steve753 @Snakelikes polls too I can tell you right now and ask any dem strategist Biden is in trouble if he only wins the national total by 1%. Big trouble. When you take the huge amount he wins in states like CA, IL and NY the swing states will be an issue for him. Yes there are some populous red states that will go Trumps way but they are generally closer than big hard blue states like those 3. Clinton led 48.2 to 46.1 on the national vote. Biden led 51.3 to 46.9. 4.4 and look how close many swing states were. Hardly good news for Biden. The Morning Consult poll also shows that a majority of voters hold an unfavorable view of both Biden (54 percent) and Trump (52 percent), although the Republican has a slightly higher favorable rating than that of the president (42-43 percent). Edited November 30, 2023 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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