Ziemann Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 I've seen a few reports now of M 600 Alpha's with some minor quality issues. For those taking delivery, it would be a good idea to go through your sled thoroughly before taking it out (which you should be doing anyway!). This is pretty minor, but obviously should have been caught at the factory and by a dealer on PDI..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 that's it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziemann Posted November 22, 2023 Author Share Posted November 22, 2023 I'm sure it will be alright..... :-P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 21 minutes ago, Ziemann said: I'm sure it will be alright..... :-P I'm waiting to see if it's 2012 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bontz Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Reminds me of 20 years ago, taking delivery of my Firecat. I think that was the very first item pointed out and how people were shocked it could leave the factory like that. Little did we know, that was just the tip of the iceberg for the '03 models. In fairness to TextCat, I don't think the Catalyst will endure 17 service buletins, like the Firecat had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICG Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 That's so insignificant, it's not worth mentioning...... Sounds like a hollow attack against Arctic Cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziemann Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: I'm waiting to see if it's 2012 2.0 I don't think that's possible. It took a while, but I eventually got my '12 to ride/handle well and be pretty reliable. I never did get my belt blowing issues straightened out. In all honesty, I suspect that they know what's at stake, and will do a better job than they did for the '12's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Not possible. Jimwit said the 12's were perfect from day one. He also promised the Catsass to be perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 17 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: I'm waiting to see if it's 2012 2.0 Hold my beer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 @Ziemannoops? https://www.facebook.com/groups/832855321418501/permalink/1107947637242600/?mibextid=9R9pXO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 On 11/22/2023 at 8:59 PM, ICG said: That's so insignificant, it's not worth mentioning...... Sounds like a hollow attack against Arctic Cat Its been a while since Arctic Cat has come out with a new platform so just like the other manufactures the first year always brings out a couple issues. It should be more looked at as things to check. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziemann Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 You're not wrong about that. Again, Textron knows what is at stake here, and I would suspect that this release will be better than what we ran in to with the '12's. There will be lots of things posted online tho, and it will provide folks with things to watch for. At the same time, this should be fun to watch because there will be some ridiculous issues that will pop up out of the blue as these sleds hit the snow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) tbh, I'm not sold on those spindles or how the upper A-arm is mounted compared to the older and beefier (looking) ones. a bolt and tri nut vs. a ball joint? ball joint please. Edited November 27, 2023 by Crnr2Crnr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 even uninnovative Polaris knew a good spindle design when they saw one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 10 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: tbh, I'm not sold on those spindles or how the upper A-arm is mounted compared to the older and beefier (looking) ones. a bolt and tri nut vs. a ball joint? ball joint please. If Cat has one advantage over the others, its right there. They've had the front geometry equation solved for some time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favoritos Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 On 11/24/2023 at 1:12 PM, Crnr2Crnr said: @Ziemannoops? https://www.facebook.com/groups/832855321418501/permalink/1107947637242600/?mibextid=9R9pXO Is that arm bent? I admittedly have no idea how the short arms are shaped. It's always hard to tell what is exactly happening with some of these posts. Seems odd if all the blue gunk on the nut and arm is extra locktite. On the other hand, I'm not a big fan of threading a steel bolt into the thin aluminum upper spindle section if that's how they are built. I see the potential for too many back yard hacks going full bore on the bolt and splitting the spindle. That point is weaker than the steel A arm section with the bolt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, favoritos said: Is that arm bent? I admittedly have no idea how the short arms are shaped. It's always hard to tell what is exactly happening with some of these posts. Seems odd if all the blue gunk on the nut and arm is extra locktite. On the other hand, I'm not a big fan of threading a steel bolt into the thin aluminum upper spindle section if that's how they are built. I see the potential for too many back yard hacks going full bore on the bolt and splitting the spindle. That point is weaker than the steel A arm section with the bolt. IDK if they are screwing it directly into the spindle or using a Tri-nut (triangle) on the back side of the spindle like the last Procross design. See #5 https://www.babbittsonline.com/oemparts/a/arc/649b1771c201684a61fa91ef/a-arm-and-sway-bar-assembly Still waiting for a parts break down of the new chassis but there's nothing out there on Country Cat or Babbitt's yet... If they're going right into the aluminum spindle, I disapprove. Psst... hey @krom, what's the scoop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) nope @favoritos, bolt goes right into the f'ng spindle. https://www.countrycat.com/arctic-cat-parts/ Look at 24 M's or Riot's which must have recently been loaded. Is that an aluminum screw as well??? https://www.countrycat.com/arctic-cat-2623-340-screw-shldr-tsh-m8x1-25x45-cl10-9sz-alum Edited November 28, 2023 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
favoritos Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Glad to see part diagrams are starting to show. I don't have a clue if the screw is aluminum. The description does look that way. I don't recall ever seeing a shoulder bolt made of aluminum. Honestly, it wouldn't be a good design if that is the case. Shoulder bolts are nice in the fact that they seat and bottom out nicely. That feature would be a problem with stretchy composition material. It would not be a reusable bolt for that application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, favoritos said: Glad to see part diagrams are starting to show. I don't have a clue if the screw is aluminum. The description does look that way. I don't recall ever seeing a shoulder bolt made of aluminum. Honestly, it wouldn't be a good design if that is the case. Shoulder bolts are nice in the fact that they seat and bottom out nicely. That feature would be a problem with stretchy composition material. It would not be a reusable bolt for that application. neither do I... wonder if it's designed to shear upon impact and if so most people are going to end up purchasing a spindle as well unless they're capable of drilling and extracting it. single use imo, and until proven otherwise this is a fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 29 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: neither do I... wonder if it's designed to shear upon impact and if so most people are going to end up purchasing a spindle as well unless they're capable of drilling and extracting it. single use imo, and until proven otherwise this is a fail. Throw some salt water on it and it will corrode and never come out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 46 minutes ago, Not greg b said: Throw some salt water on it and it will corrode and never come out you mean mother nature's red loctite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 HCS must be playing catch-up https://www.hardcoresledder.com/threads/2024-catalyst-broke.1892446/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 21 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: tbh, I'm not sold on those spindles or how the upper A-arm is mounted compared to the older and beefier (looking) ones. a bolt and tri nut vs. a ball joint? ball joint please. AC has been using that bolt/trinut setup for years now on the M's and G2 sleds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Here's some follow up on the issue. The owner is on Facebook. Sounds to be an assemble issue. Arctic Cat will probably take to old spindle to see what the cause is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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