f7ben Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: I don't have enough miles on my R yet, but I know my reg turbo 900 was easily as quick and fast as the 850s I ran against. The R should spank an 850 handily. I want to pinch this pig across a long hardpan lake. If it does 100 I'm good. The Winders are probably gonna walk it, and thats ok. I love the way they feel, doesn't wear me out like my cat turbo did. Well the procross isn’t in the same ballpark as the g4 so there’s that. I’ll never forgive skidoo for dropping the amazing 1200 and adopting the trash 900 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, f7ben said: Well the procross isn’t in the same ballpark as the g4 so there’s that. I’ll never forgive skidoo for dropping the amazing 1200 and adopting the trash 900 The 900 is like an engine you’d buy off the shelf at pep boys or something 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, ACE said: The 900 is like an engine you’d buy off the shelf at pep boys or something Like a harbor freight Chinese toy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, f7ben said: Like a harbor freight Chinese toy Turns out the injectors are almost maxed right out on the 900r with the stock tune and the turbo is hardly better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, ACE said: Turns out the injectors are almost maxed right out on the 900r with the stock tune and the turbo is hardly better Yup , remember when I tried explaining that to retard Dave who kept spazzing and babbling about 230hp with just a tune ???? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, f7ben said: Yup , remember when I tried explaining that to retard Dave who kept spazzing and babbling about 230hp with just a tune ???? Forget which tuning company it was but they found the injectors were on the edge of going static around 210 hp you can push it a little further but you’re always be on the edge of grenading the engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsky Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) My 1200 Blizzard was an excellent sled. The 129 skid was great, it just needed better shocks. My 900T is better in so many ways. But I trail ride and have zero interest in dick measuring and sword fighting on kevlar lake. Edited January 5, 2023 by jdsky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, jdsky said: My 1200 Blizzard was an excellent sled. The 129 skid was great, it just needed better shocks. My 900T is better in so many ways. Don't mind them. THey still wear leather checkerboard riding jackets and smoke Newports. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger** Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, jdsky said: My 1200 Blizzard was an excellent sled. The 129 skid was great, it just needed better shocks. My 900T is better in so many ways. But I trail ride and have zero interest in dick measuring and sword fighting on kevlar lake. I look forward to taking the Z-T out for a ride. The only sled I found boring to ride lately was an 800 Cat. My daughter just got a new 600 XC and that is a fun sled on the trail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsky Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Before I bought my 20' 900T I really wanted to like the Thunderwinder. My dealer back at that time has Yam, Doo and Poo and I test rode the Yamacat for a day. The engine had plenty of juice but that was its best quality. Take all of the shit parts that need to be replaced in the drivetrain to make it half way reliable and to it that the Yam was $2500 more than the Doo and it was an easy choice. That Spring Cat had the fire sale on Thundercat's but it was a total of $500 less and my go to Cat dealer for years had dropped the brand in 2018. Complete non-starter there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 OMG does Polaris's 850 ever dominate the sanctioned Hillclimb circuit, just wow! The Alpha none must be another huge Cat flop 😔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, jdsky said: My 1200 Blizzard was an excellent sled. The 129 skid was great, it just needed better shocks. My 900T is better in so many ways. But I trail ride and have zero interest in dick measuring and sword fighting on kevlar lake. If you had just put a simple stage 1 turbo on the 1200 you’d be so fucking pissed off having to own that gay ass ace trash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 hours ago, ACE said: I wonder how much they paid snowtrax to say it’s as fast as a winder. Zero. They read it on Twitter and were too dumb to question it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsky Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 28 minutes ago, f7ben said: If you had just put a simple stage 1 turbo on the 1200 you’d be so fucking pissed off having to own that gay ass ace trash Great engine? Of course it is but there is more to a sled for me than HP. The XS chassis with that engine was good, not great. More HP is not fixing that just adding more complexity and shit that won't work when you need it to most. I have friends that just love to tinker with that shit and that is exactly what they end up doing. The season is just far too short for me to waste time doing that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, jdsky said: Great engine? Of course it is but there is more to a sled for me than HP. The XS chassis with that engine was good, not great. More HP is not fixing that just adding more complexity and shit that won't work when you need it to most. I have friends that just love to tinker with that shit and that is exactly what they end up doing. The season is just far too short for me to waste time doing that. That’s true , but my point was skidoo should have put the fucking 1200 in the g4 with a turbo on it , not the garbage ACE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger** Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) if you like your sled that's the most important thing it does not mater what others think, its your money. I'm more of a fan of the Pro-S and the XC's and I'm running an mXz 850 and it works. Edited January 5, 2023 by Badger** 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsky Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 7 hours ago, f7ben said: That’s true , but my point was skidoo should have put the fucking 1200 in the g4 with a turbo on it , not the garbage ACE There were two issues with this. Economics and packaging in the G4 chassis. They use the 900 Ace in everything from snow to dirt to asphalt to water. The engine is bullet proof reliable and performance hits the mark for 99% of the sledding world. In the G4 wide chassis it is far better balanced and the turbo comes in at the same weight as my 1200 Blizzard. I have two sleds and a pair of Sea Doo's with the 900. I have had zero issues with the engine in any of these, it runs smooth, quiet and is incredibly fuel efficient. Things that matter to most that have a shed full of toys to maintain. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, jdsky said: There were two issues with this. Economics and packaging in the G4 chassis. They use the 900 Ace in everything from snow to dirt to asphalt to water. The engine is bullet proof reliable and performance hits the mark for 99% of the sledding world. In the G4 wide chassis it is far better balanced and the turbo comes in at the same weight as my 1200 Blizzard. I have two sleds and a pair of Sea Doo's with the 900. I have had zero issues with the engine in any of these, it runs smooth, quiet and is incredibly fuel efficient. Things that matter to most that have a shed full of toys to maintain. It’s an anemic motor that has all of the penalties of a turbo 4 stroke and none of the benefits. Leave it to skidoo to put a heavy 4 stroke turbo in a sled that won’t even run with a stock winder when fully modified at a cost of your warranty and thousands in aftermarket parts. Pathetic The 1200 was such an amazing motor , the 900 is the exact opposite. Edited January 5, 2023 by f7ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 28 minutes ago, f7ben said: It’s an anemic motor that has all of the penalties of a turbo 4 stroke and none of the benefits. Leave it to skidoo to put a heavy 4 stroke turbo in a sled that won’t even run with a stock winder when fully modified at a cost of your warranty and thousands in aftermarket parts. Pathetic The 1200 was such an amazing motor , the 900 is the exact opposite. okok...we get your point. Everyone I know who owns one generally loves that motor. All you are talking about is mod potential, which the average trail rider doesn't give a shit about. Granted I turned my first one into a giant paper weight, but I digress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: okok...we get your point. Everyone I know who owns one generally loves that motor. All you are talking about is mod potential, which the average trail rider doesn't give a shit about. Granted I turned my first one into a giant paper weight, but I digress. Mod potential is all that matters with a 4s turbo. Why buy one that isn’t any more powerful than a 2s and deal with all the weight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 Just now, f7ben said: Mod potential is all that matters with a 4s turbo. Why buy one that isn’t any more powerful than a 2s and deal with all the weight? To you maybe. The non R turbo runs quicker and faster than 850s, uses less gas and no oil. Another 20-30 hp can't hurt. Best motor for a trail sled ever made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, DriftBusta said: To you maybe. The non R turbo runs quicker and faster than 850s, uses less gas and no oil. Another 20-30 hp can't hurt. Best motor for a trail sled ever made. I don’t think it runs faster than 850s , in fact I’d bet on the 850 most of the time. I’ve never raced or ridden one but my diehard skidoo friend Bill said the one 900t he’s encountered was an absolute turd and it was slower than his stock 1200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 5, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 5, 2023 I know this.....my Winder is no slouch and I've ran into some damn fine running 900 Turbo's. I would have zero issue owning one. 300 HP is without a doubt beyond fun but getting them to hook in a variety of conditions is not that easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 55 minutes ago, f7ben said: It’s an anemic motor that has all of the penalties of a turbo 4 stroke and none of the benefits. Leave it to skidoo to put a heavy 4 stroke turbo in a sled that won’t even run with a stock winder when fully modified at a cost of your warranty and thousands in aftermarket parts. Pathetic The 1200 was such an amazing motor , the 900 is the exact opposite. Yeah that’s pretty much about it. If you’re going to have the penalty of the turbo 4 stroke you should with the benefits but you don’t with them 900 hell the 2009 Z1T was a better engine setup by a fair bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted January 5, 2023 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted January 5, 2023 24 minutes ago, f7ben said: Mod potential is all that matters with a 4s turbo. Why buy one that isn’t any more powerful than a 2s and deal with all the weight? To many but not to the mfg's or the average rider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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