Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 7, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) Imagine....worried about a trial of 1,000's people when we got billions who are now in a long term trial. Edited December 7, 2022 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Given the disaster of past vaccines, such as the polio vaccine, Moderna and Pfizer's have had an excellent safety record with the Covid vaccine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Given the disaster of past vaccines, such as the polio vaccine, Moderna and Pfizer's have had an excellent safety record with the Covid vaccine. What a retard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 7, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Given the disaster of past vaccines, such as the polio vaccine, Moderna and Pfizer's have had an excellent safety record with the Covid vaccine. Given the lack of long term data on mRNA vaccines lets hope that doesn't change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, Highmark said: Given the lack of long term data on mRNA vaccines lets hope that doesn't change. Its already the worst on record. It can only go downhill from here. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, Highmark said: Given the lack of long term data on mRNA vaccines lets hope that doesn't change. Every vaccine has its side effects. There’s no free lunch. I think the mistake made with these vaccines is having them mandated for certain groups and still pushed when it became obvious that the virus has mutated past the point of them being effective. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 38 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: Its already the worst on record. It can only go downhill from here. what record? Is the Guinness Book aware of it yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 7, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Every vaccine has its side effects. There’s no free lunch. I think the mistake made with these vaccines is having them mandated for certain groups and still pushed when it became obvious that the virus has mutated past the point of them being effective. Again this type of vaccine has never been trialed before long term. Existing vaccine tech has been what it was for a long time. Lots of long term unknowns here. I agree on the mandates and how it was handled. Both sides got political and dug in....shameful. Its quite telling big pharma fighting to slow release the data even with liability protection. Edited December 7, 2022 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 They should have been made available to high risk people never should have been mandated absolutely should not have been given to healthy young people 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 7, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, ACE said: They should have been made available to high risk people never should have been mandated absolutely should not have been given to healthy young people By the end of the summer 2020 we had a pretty good handle on who was being impacted. Absolutely shameful how some states/business'/schools handled this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deephaven Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, ArcticCrusher said: Its already the worst on record. It can only go downhill from here. Only in the made up records you find on twitter. It wasn't handled well, but your complete inability to see the actual truth is startling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActionfigureJoe Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Highmark said: Again this type of vaccine has never been trialed before long term. Existing vaccine tech has been what it was for a long time. Lots of long term unknowns here. I agree on the mandates and how it was handled. Both sides got political and dug in....shameful. It’s quite telling big pharma fighting to slow release the data even with liability protection. Pharmaceutical companies drag their feet on release of black box warnings on all of their products. That’s nothing exclusive to the vaccines. The crazy claims about the harmful aspects of the vaccines have become laughable in recent months. The main down fall of mRNA vaccines isn’t the long term effects, it’s the fact that they haven’t been very effective even medium term. Thus, the idea that it’s some kind of ticking time bomb is not true. It’s actually the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted December 7, 2022 Author Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Pharmaceutical companies drag their feet on release of black box warnings on all of their products. That’s nothing exclusive to the vaccines. The crazy claims about the harmful aspects of the vaccines have become laughable in recent months. The main down fall of mRNA vaccines isn’t the long term effects, it’s the fact that they haven’t been very effective even medium term. Thus, the idea that it’s some kind of ticking time bomb is not true. It’s actually the opposite. Please link us to the long term mRNA vaccine studies. Edited December 7, 2022 by Highmark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Every vaccine has its side effects. There’s no free lunch. I think the mistake made with these vaccines is having them mandated for certain groups and still pushed when it became obvious that the virus has mutated past the point of them being effective. They were never effective. The data was all fraud. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Crnr2Crnr said: what record? Is the Guinness Book aware of it yet? VAERS for one. More side effects than all vaccines total since inception. There's more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted December 7, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Every vaccine has its side effects. There’s no free lunch. I think the mistake made with these vaccines is having them mandated for certain groups and still pushed when it became obvious that the virus has mutated past the point of them being effective. Smartest thing you said in awhile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f7ben Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 38 minutes ago, Highmark said: Please link us to the long term mRNA vaccine studies. And as a therapeutic or prophylaxis. These were always know to be a long term therapy , not a vaccine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 43 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: VAERS for one. More side effects than all vaccines total since inception. There's more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, f7ben said: And as a therapeutic or prophylaxis. These were always know to be a long term therapy , not a vaccine Yes and even 1-2 doses are more harmful to young people than the illness itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted December 7, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 7, 2022 48 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: VAERS for one. More side effects than all vaccines total since inception. There's more. VAERS is a publicly available, searchable database of reports that have not been verified. It simply contains whatever people have voluntarily reported. Moreover, the CDC and FDA do not restrict what people can report, as long as it happened at some point following a vaccination. That means events that happen even years later and have no obvious connection to a vaccine, such as feelings of anger, end up reported in the system, says Talaat. “It’s very open and public and searchable. Since it’s so transparent, people don’t really understand what it’s for. They think it’s things that are vetted and have causal relationships with the vaccine.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Highmark said: By the end of the summer 2020 we had a pretty good handle on who was being impacted. Absolutely shameful how some states/business'/schools handled this. Very early reports out of China said it was only old sick men that were dying from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 3 hours ago, ActionfigureJoe said: Given the disaster of past vaccines, such as the polio vaccine, Moderna and Pfizer's have had an excellent safety record with the Covid vaccine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford_428cj Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Jimmy Snacks said: VAERS is a publicly available, searchable database of reports that have not been verified. It simply contains whatever people have voluntarily reported. Moreover, the CDC and FDA do not restrict what people can report, as long as it happened at some point following a vaccination. That means events that happen even years later and have no obvious connection to a vaccine, such as feelings of anger, end up reported in the system, says Talaat. “It’s very open and public and searchable. Since it’s so transparent, people don’t really understand what it’s for. They think it’s things that are vetted and have causal relationships with the vaccine.” Did you report your wifes issues after the vax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Jimmy Snacks Posted December 7, 2022 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, ford_428cj said: Did you report your wifes issues after the vax? I’ve explained this a dozen times…she’s had issues going back 10 years and they got worse after she had Covid…not the vaccine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member EvilBird Posted December 7, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted December 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Jimmy Snacks said: I’ve explained this a dozen times…she’s had issues going back 10 years and they got worse after she had Covid…not the vaccine. Sucks man sorry to hear that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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