Tripleflipper Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 34 minutes ago, krom said: Mike isn't exactly a fan of those shocks... But AC was retailing them for $99.95, before jumping the prices on them.. I'd venture a guess that they cost less than $15 to manufacture at that time given the number of times they got marked up (manufacture to ac, ac to dealer, dealer to customer) years back one of the parts folks accidentally told me how little they paid for a 2 stroke 90 atv piston.... it was under $5 Worked for a large Japanese electronics company before I retired early. Ran the IT department, and in one of our pricing modules there was code that took the landed cost of parts and multiplied by a factor of 20 to come up with a retail price for our dealers. Nice mark up 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 8 hours ago, Crnr2Crnr said: so, it looks like we're back to the SnoPro days @Not greg b@taperk600 @krom based upon what Greg told me about his first ride I'm thinking... Base ZR 129 uses 95lb ski springs (10.5"L) and a 90/250 dual rate FTS spring (8.25") RXC uses 120lb ski springs (10.5 p/n 3703-704) and a two piece FTS spring with a 170/250 rate (3704-039 & 3704-036) Being that they're using basic 2" non resi IFP's... change the base model over to the 120lb ski springs and for the FTS spring the old tried and true 210lb straight rate 7.5" SnoPro spring (pn 1704-822) then adjust valving and rebound for the IFP's with Carver from there. idk about the torsions yet... I run 120lb'ers on the stock 500 rather than the 140's but had Mike give them a bit more rebound on the last service. tried the dual rate on the stock 500 FTS IFP but abandoned it when I switched up to DSC's and went back to the straight 210lb The ski springs are $38 each and the SP FTS spring is $70 so imo it's cheap enough to try it. I doubt carver would even rebuild those cheap ifp. It would cost more money to have them rebuilt than to buy a new set from cat. They are not decent ifp like the fox zero pro used 10 years ago on the 500. Cat really needs better shock package between the ifp and the atac. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Not greg b said: I doubt carver would even rebuild those cheap ifp. It would cost more money to have them rebuilt than to buy a new set from cat. They are not decent ifp like the fox zero pro used 10 years ago on the 500. Cat really needs better shock package between the ifp and the atac. Probably, but it's pretty obvious to me the springs are the weak sauce in the pot of soup. But Catextron catered to the Doo and Poo crew by softening everything. What springs do they come with? I'll look tomorrow but I can assure you they're 'cushy'. #metoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: Probably, but it's pretty obvious to me the springs are the weak sauce in the pot of soup. But Catextron catered to the Doo and Poo crew by softening everything. What springs do they come with? I'll look tomorrow but I can assure you they're 'cushy'. #metoo I doubt changing springs on those shitty dampners will do much of anything. Guys tried that on the limited center arm and the shock would blow out. They were using the crappy shock in it. The fix was to throw it away and put a qs3 on it from the rr. The front arm is that single wound 90/250 they have used since beginning of time not the 2 piece dual rate the xc has. The biggest issue going to be that front arm. Edited January 9 by Not greg b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinfarmer Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 44 minutes ago, Not greg b said: I doubt carver would even rebuild those cheap ifp. It would cost more money to have them rebuilt than to buy a new set from cat. They are not decent ifp like the fox zero pro used 10 years ago on the 500. Cat really needs better shock package between the ifp and the atac. Are they even rebuildable? The wife's TNT doesn't have rebuildable shocks on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, racinfarmer said: Are they even rebuildable? The wife's TNT doesn't have rebuildable shocks on it. Not even sure. The part number on the front arm comes up as the same shock they have been using since 2017 on the front arm. Looks like a qs3 off a limited will fit the rear arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Looks like the 2025 product guide is out. Someone is posting teaser pictures of the 858. Looks like a new shock package called the ac5 what ever that is. And they are making the 858 sticker the size of a billboard. Krom have you got that information in your hands yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, Not greg b said: I doubt changing springs on those shitty dampners will do much of anything. Guys tried that on the limited center arm and the shock would blow out. They were using the crappy shock in it. The fix was to throw it away and put a qs3 on it from the rr. The front arm is that single wound 90/250 they have used since beginning of time not the 2 piece dual rate the xc has. The biggest issue going to be that front arm. bet you $291 you're wrong... wager? bring it down, well rip it apart Edited January 9 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 20 minutes ago, Not greg b said: Looks like the 2025 product guide is out. Someone is posting teaser pictures of the 858. Looks like a new shock package called the ac5 what ever that is. And they are making the 858 sticker the size of a billboard. Krom have you got that information in your hands yet? Demo's of 858 are on the line. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 36 minutes ago, racinfarmer said: Are they even rebuildable? The wife's TNT doesn't have rebuildable shocks on it. 31 minutes ago, Not greg b said: Not even sure. The part number on the front arm comes up as the same shock they have been using since 2017 on the front arm. Looks like a qs3 off a limited will fit the rear arm. IFP's have always been rebuildable, and can be revalved by knowledgeable minds... unlike that KYB junk BRP puts on all the way up to the X package. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 Just now, ZR6000RR said: Demo's of 858 are on the line. @krom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 35 minutes ago, Not greg b said: Not even sure. The part number on the front arm comes up as the same shock they have been using since 2017 on the front arm. Looks like a qs3 off a limited will fit the rear arm. yeah... but you may as well get one with rebound adjustability help me spend your $ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 34 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said: Demo's of 858 are on the line. A run of green ones was done a week or 2 ago. It wasn't too long ago you said the 858 would be last to be built, after the media sleds.. On 1/2/2024 at 9:05 PM, ZR6000RR said: Already told this..858 being last on the line. Still playing with lots of items, I'm guessing. Crn, or crm, or what ever is your pronoun, that's the story I was given from some pretty high in the food chain. Got it? Wrong as usual Edited January 9 by krom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 (edited) maybe I'm the only one who recalls all the time, effort and posts about how people tried to improve the 2010 SP 500 suspension and shocks without buying DSC's and Float's? the recipe hasn't changed, just the shape of the pot... https://www.hardcoresledder.com/threads/snopro-500-rear-skid-improvment.572812/?post_id=6220986&nested_view=1#post-6220986 https://www.arcticchat.com/threads/sp-500-suspension-adjustments.329483/ maybe people just expect shit to work straight out of the box for them regardless of what they weigh or how/where they ride today... lame Edited January 9 by Crnr2Crnr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) double Edited January 9 by krom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not greg b Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Crnr2Crnr said: maybe I'm the only one who recalls all the time, effort and posts about how people tried to improve the 2010 SP 500 suspension and shocks without buying DSC's and Float's? the recipe hasn't changed, just the shape of the pot... The shocks used on the sp500 were a 1000 times better than these cheap ifps. Favaritos has shattered a metric crap ton of them. That will probably be my end result. I am not sinking any money into the suspension on this until there is a viable option to get rid of those things. I could probably get a both front shocks brand new for about 100 bucks for spare tires. Edited January 9 by Not greg b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, Not greg b said: The shocks used on the sp500 were a 1000 times better than these cheap ifps. Favaritos has shattered a metric crap ton of them. That will probably be my end result. I am not sinking any money into the suspension on this until there is a viable option to get rid of those things. I could probably get a both front shocks brand new for about 100 bucks for spare tires. the body or the guts? granted mine are thirteen years old but I've never had an issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) The shocks aren't any worse than the late 90's early 2000's fox stuff.. Other than the IFP o-ring everything will interchange with fox. They use the same powder metal pistons as fox did etc. Edited January 9 by krom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 26 minutes ago, krom said: double That is what IS BEING built. No early sales, mind u. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crnr2Crnr Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, krom said: The shocks aren't any worse than the late 90's early 2000's fox stuff.. Other than the IFP o-ring everything will interchange with fox. They use the same powder metal pistons as fox did etc. but when utilized in an under sprung sled... they're probably junk shocks just absorb, springs carry the weight and take the hit in conjunction with the chassis if the chassis can take it, up the spring rate as I see it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 36 minutes ago, krom said: A run of green ones was done a week or 2 ago. It wasn't too long ago you said the 858 would be last to be built, after the media sleds.. Wrong as usual You cant read for shit. Still wont feel sorry for you. Not worth a tissue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, ZR6000RR said: You cant read for shit. Still wont feel sorry for you. Not worth a tissue. On the line this morning. Were shut down for holidays. Might have had some to start, but? Fuck OFF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) You are so stupid, that you quoted yourself, saw you quoted yourself, and hit submit anyway??? 8 minutes ago, ZR6000RR said: On the line this morning. Were shut down for holidays. Might have had some to start, but? Fuck OFF! Just like everything else you say, that is wrong too. They did a build of green ones last week or the week before Edited January 9 by krom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR6000RR Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, krom said: you are so stupid, that you quoted yourself, saw you quoted yourself, and hit submit anyway??? Fuck! What? You sucking AOC off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krom Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Do you think its a coincidence I sold my RXC instead of taking it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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