motonoggin Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SSFB said: Would you like to provide examples of when an uprising has resulted in the sort of Communism you describe, stateless? Sure, as soon as you show me a case where such an uprising wasn't either smashed by capitalists and fascists or co opted by internal authoritarian elements. Catalonia was about as close as we've come, and that was put down by Franco. Edited January 21, 2017 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Sure, as soon as you show me a case where such an uprising wasn't either smashed by capitalists and fascists or co opted by internal authoritarian elements. No need. The fact that they were all smashed by capitalists or fascists as you just admitted simply proves my theory that the Communism you describe cannot come to fruition. Yet somehow Democracies and Republics utilizing Capitalism came to overtake Feudalism and Monarchy. Maybe someday Communism will have an accomplishment other than mass genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, SSFB said: No need. The fact that they were all smashed by capitalists or fascists as you just admitted simply proves my theory that the Communism you describe cannot come to fruition. Yet somehow Democracies and Republics utilizing Capitalism came to overtake Feudalism and Monarchy. Maybe someday Communism will have an accomplishment other than mass genocide. Was there mass genocide in cuba? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Can't get any more utopian than thinking appeal to the worst tendencies of men will somehow lead to the best society for all. You can't take the nature out of human nature NeoStoner, SBYL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Can't get any more utopian than thinking appeal to the worst tendencies of men will somehow lead to the best society for all. Edited January 21, 2017 by Momorider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, motonoggin said: Can't get any more utopian than thinking appeal to the worst tendencies of men will somehow lead to the best society for all. WTF Edited January 21, 2017 by Momorider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, SSFB said: No need. The fact that they were all smashed by capitalists or fascists as you just admitted simply proves my theory that the Communism you describe cannot come to fruition. Yet somehow Democracies and Republics utilizing Capitalism came to overtake Feudalism and Monarchy. Maybe someday Communism will have an accomplishment other than mass genocide. Capitalism was brought about and remains enforced through bloodshed. Slavery was enforced and abolished with bloodshed and a transition was made to feudalism. Feudalism was enforced and abolished with bloodshed and a transition was made to capitalism. It won't be a coincidence that a transition to the next system will involve bloodshed. Blaming the failure of libertarian communist revolutionaries on their weakness rather than the massive strength of their opposition is completely upside down logic. It is tantamount to saying 'might makes right', basically an endorsement of authoritarianism. But in the next breath you chide communists for (wrongly) believing the exact same thing. It's ponderous, man. I'm sensing some cognitive dissonance on your part. Edited January 21, 2017 by motonoggin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dave said: Was there mass genocide in cuba? Thousands at a minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Momorider said: You can't take the nature out of human nature NeoStoner, SBYL Revolt against unjustified and oppressive authority is human nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, washedupmxer said: DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO Derp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Derp. thats perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, motonoggin said: Capitalism was brought about and remains enforced through bloodshed. Slavery was enforced and abolished with bloodshed and a transition was made to feudalism. Feudalism was enforced and abolished with bloodshed and a transition was made to capitalism. It won't be a coincidence that a transition to the next system won't involve bloodshed. Blaming the failure of libertarian communist revolutionaries on their weakness rather than the massive strength of their opposition is completely upside down logic. It is tantamount to saying 'might makes right', basically an endorsement of authoritarianism. But in the next breath you chide communists for (wrongly) believing the exact same thing. It's ponderous, man. I'm sensing some cognitive dissonance on your part. No, simply that Capitalism and Democracy can break away from the chains of Feudalism and Monarchy and thrive. Yet the Communism you describe cannot. There's always a boogeyman to blame for Communism's failures but somehow Capitalism and Democracy beat those odds. It's like it's a better system or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 when you are swallowed whole by thoughts of children who havent even matured enough to think for themselves you really should check yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, SSFB said: No, simply that Capitalism and Democracy can break away from the chains of Feudalism and Monarchy and thrive. Yet the Communism you describe cannot. There's always a boogeyman to blame for Communism's failures but somehow Capitalism and Democracy beat those odds. It's like it's a better system or something? I'm sure the former slaves and now peasants thought the same of feudalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 you should all embrace communism while I enjoy the fruits of capitalism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriftBusta Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 46 minutes ago, Dave said: You seem like a guy thats regimented....you dont think you could live under communism rule? My own regimen maybe. I'm a free market libertarian who believes in entrepreneurship and government leaving me alone, and not taking more than 20-25% in total from my income for various taxes. Pave the roads, protect our borders and society from crime, and let us live our lives. I would not want to live under communism, and am pretty sure we're safe from that for at least 8 more years now. 48 minutes ago, motonoggin said: thats cute Dan. 42 minutes ago, washedupmxer said: Rich irony in that picture. The punk bitches think they're accomplishing something. Can't wait for Trump to start ordering national guard to arrest and catalog these fuckbags. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I'm sure the former slaves and now peasants thought the same of feudalism. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, washedupmxer said: you should all embrace communism while I enjoy the fruits of capitalism You mean the fruits of exploited labor? Yes, that's why there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, DriftBusta said: My own regimen maybe. I'm a free market libertarian who believes in entrepreneurship and government leaving me alone, and not taking more than 20-25% in total from my income for various taxes. Pave the roads, protect our borders and society from crime, and let us live our lives. I would not want to live under communism, and am pretty sure we're safe from that for at least 8 more years now. thats cute Dan. Rich irony in that picture. The punk bitches think they're accomplishing something. Can't wait for Trump to start ordering national guard to arrest and catalog these fuckbags. We are alot closer to living in communism then you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, motonoggin said: I'm sure the former slaves and now peasants thought the same of feudalism. The slaves and peasants who fought for Communism too, don't forget about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motonoggin Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, DriftBusta said: My own regimen maybe. I'm a free market libertarian who believes in entrepreneurship and government leaving me alone, and not taking more than 20-25% in total from my income for various taxes. Pave the roads, protect our borders and society from crime, and let us live our lives. I would not want to live under communism, and am pretty sure we're safe from that for at least 8 more years now. thats cute Dan. Rich irony in that picture. The punk bitches think they're accomplishing something. Can't wait for Trump to start ordering national guard to arrest and catalog these fuckbags. The fact that you think black bloc voted for Hillary demonstrates the tiny political world you live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, motonoggin said: You mean the fruits of exploited labor? Yes, that's why there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. LMFAO put your money were your mouth is snot nosed child 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSFB Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, Dave said: We are alot closer to living in communism then you think. Which is why some of us argue for less government, much less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 When a mouth breather like dense danny starts by make his property communal then someone might actually take him serious Ill bet my ability to post here here his cute lil groups wont even exist next year at this time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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