Mainecat Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Biden was right about oil..... It's Official: Solar Is the Cheapest Electricity in History https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a34372005/solar-cheapest-energy-ever/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XCR1250 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Do they use oil to make the panels? How about the storage batteries needed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 23, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 23, 2020 Just now, XCR1250 said: Do they use oil to make the panels? How about the storage batteries needed? Wind and solar powered mine equipment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 23, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Biden was right about oil..... It's Official: Solar Is the Cheapest Electricity in History https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a34372005/solar-cheapest-energy-ever/ Solar, wind, nuclear and fossil fuels all have a place in modern society. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Highmark said: Solar, wind, nuclear and fossil fuels all have a place in modern society. Individual solar roofs make a lot of sense as the tech has gotten better. Not a fan of solar/wind farms as the amount of elec per acre isn't great. Nuke is still the most efficient and least ecologically damaging method (assuming it doesn't get washed away in a tsunami) At some point lots of the blue collar oil and gas jobs will drop away so preparing these people for other jobs sooner rather than later is good, see those poor people in coal country WV as proof of why you need to adapt. the big advantage oil and gas workers have is they are used to being on the road therefore moving for work will happen easier for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 23, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 23, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Angry ginger said: Individual solar roofs make a lot of sense as the tech has gotten better. Not a fan of solar/wind farms as the amount of elec per acre isn't great. Nuke is still the most efficient and least ecologically damaging method (assuming it doesn't get washed away in a tsunami) At some point lots of the blue collar oil and gas jobs will drop away so preparing these people for other jobs sooner rather than later is good, see those poor people in coal country WV as proof of why you need to adapt. the big advantage oil and gas workers have is they are used to being on the road therefore moving for work will happen easier for them. Agreed but this idea that we are going to end the use of fossil fuels in 12 years is absurd even as a far reaching extremists goal. Edited October 23, 2020 by Highmark 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 The stuff Musk is doing with solar is revolutionary. They are building entire energy independent sub divisions in other countries with his solar tech. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Highmark said: Agreed but this idea that we are going to end the use of fossil fuels in 12 years is absurd even as a far reaching extremists goal. Its going to be a long time before that happens. But in the shorter term we are going to start seeing less use of fossil fuels for individual use. And the more it gets implemented the more advanced the tech will get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted October 23, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 23, 2020 Just now, Anler said: Its going to be a long time before that happens. But in the shorter term we are going to start seeing less use of fossil fuels for individual use. And the more it gets implemented the more advanced the tech will get. No doubt. I look forward to solar roof that is reasonably priced. If you look at the science we are about as far as we can get extracting energy from sun or wind......its the storage that needs to keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted October 23, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 23, 2020 If only our country would invest heavily into Solar China still cheaper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Rigid1 Posted October 23, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted October 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, Skidooski said: If only our country would invest heavily into Solar China still cheaper Solyndra comes to mind for some reason.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManOnManOral Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Angry ginger said: Individual solar roofs make a lot of sense as the tech has gotten better. Not a fan of solar/wind farms as the amount of elec per acre isn't great. Nuke is still the most efficient and least ecologically damaging method (assuming it doesn't get washed away in a tsunami) At some point lots of the blue collar oil and gas jobs will drop away so preparing these people for other jobs sooner rather than later is good, see those poor people in coal country WV as proof of why you need to adapt. the big advantage oil and gas workers have is they are used to being on the road therefore moving for work will happen easier for them. Those people were poor when coal was being heavily relied upon. They were never paid well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 The Koch bro’s own the largest solar panel manufacturer way to be a shill MC you fag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Angry ginger said: Individual solar roofs make a lot of sense as the tech has gotten better. Not a fan of solar/wind farms as the amount of elec per acre isn't great. Nuke is still the most efficient and least ecologically damaging method (assuming it doesn't get washed away in a tsunami) At some point lots of the blue collar oil and gas jobs will drop away so preparing these people for other jobs sooner rather than later is good, see those poor people in coal country WV as proof of why you need to adapt. the big advantage oil and gas workers have is they are used to being on the road therefore moving for work will happen easier for them. Trump just put a billion dollars in grants into a nuclear reactor company called NU Scale. The idea is for smaller modular reactors with passive safety systems built in. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: Trump just put a billion dollars in grants into a nuclear reactor company called NU Scale. The idea is for smaller modular reactors with passive safety systems built in. One has to be very anti science to think that windmills and solar panels are the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, ACE said: One has to be very anti science to think that windmills and solar panels are the answer One thing I have learned working in the power generation business is never put all of your eggs in one basket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Rigid1 said: Solyndra comes to mind for some reason.. Surprised that did not come up after the claim “ we don’t need subsidies to fund alternative energy “ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Anler said: The stuff Musk is doing with solar is revolutionary. They are building entire energy independent sub divisions in other countries with his solar tech. He’s definitely not a car company. He’s more of a software, solar energy, space program, R&D company . I didn’t realize it but he sold half a billion dollars worth of carbon credits to GM, Ford, and other car makers last year. Fossil fuels have seen their peak use in the developed world. Attempts to squelch the use of renewables have failed by those such as the Koch bros. Pure economics rather than demand is leading the way. Of course 8 years of the Obama administration helped push it along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: One thing I have learned working in the power generation business is never put all of your eggs in one basket. thats the thing. Put solar and wind where it makes sense but for large scale hard to beat nukes. Hydro will always have a place as well. I'd rather have small nuke plants feed current grid than blowing the tops off mountains to mount windmills or tearing up forests to run more hydro quebec lines down here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, ACE said: One has to be very anti science to think that windmills and solar panels are the answer One has to be a hayseed dumb fuck not to see solar and wind power as part of the equation in future energy production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Angry ginger said: thats the thing. Put solar and wind where it makes sense but for large scale hard to beat nukes. Hydro will always have a place as well. I'd rather have small nuke plants feed current grid than blowing the tops off mountains to mount windmills or tearing up forests to run more hydro quebec lines down here. The modular nukes could go on plots that are currently occupied by coal plants so that the power lines and switch gear could be reused. No smoke stack no giant colling towers and sealed reactor vessels which means no nuke waste on site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: One thing I have learned working in the power generation business is never put all of your eggs in one basket. No one is even coming close to suggesting that. Future energy production will be a mix. Some options no one can even envision yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, spin_dry said: No one is even coming close to suggesting that. Future energy production will be a mix. Some options no one can even envision yet. I don't think you will ever flip a light switch on fusion or even deep bore geothermal..... maybe your grand kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin_dry Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said: I don't think you will ever flip a light switch on fusion or even deep bore geothermal..... maybe your grand kids. What about Bob Lazar and element 115? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Danger Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, spin_dry said: What about Bob Lazar and element 115? H3 is the other element that gets bantered around. A single ton of H3 could run NYC for a year..... again you won't have to worry about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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