Fireball 440 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 https://cleantechnica.com/2020/09/20/michigans-new-house-bill-6233-wants-to-ban-ev-automakers-from-doing-business/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireball 440 Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) Won't let me copy and paste. Michigan is a shithouse. Edited September 21, 2020 by Fireball 440 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Michigan politicians are trying to block new electric vehicle manufacturers from doing business in the state. Although carefully worded to include any type of auto manufacturing company, the Michigan “Motor Vehicle Franchise Act” was created specifically to block Tesla from doing business there, an obvious favor to the dealerships. The law already includes certain restrictions on auto manufacturers, restrictions that limit their ability to sell and service their vehicles in the state. The upside to this bill is that the language leaves room for creative solutions — such as the 2016 settlement brought by Tesla against the state. The Michigan Attorney General interpreted existing law to allow Tesla and other manufacturers certain sales-type activities at gallery locations. These include consumer education about products (such as EVs), discussions about the price, offering test drives, and discussing financing in order to facilitate online orders and delivery. The only restriction was that the transfer of the title of the vehicle had to take place out of state, to comply with existing law. A new house bill in Michigan, however, has been introduced by Representative Sheppard (R) to amend the law so that no manufacturer except Tesla can support the sales or service of their vehicles in Michigan. Although Tesla stands to gain from this, it would go against its core mission and I believe it would actually harm Tesla. The company already gets a lot of criticism and outright hate from some of its ardent critics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Those dealers make a lot of dough and have a lot of power. They’re not fond of the way Tesla is doing business where the company owns all the outlets. And apparently they have some legislators in their back pocket. Complete BS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Union herd mentality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted September 21, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, Fireball 440 said: Won't let me copy and paste. Michigan is a shithouse. MN is already burned to the ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireball 440 Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share Posted September 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Skidooski said: MN is already burned to the ground Minneapolis is yes, and I hope they finish the job. Not sure what your post has to do with this thread though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 You cant "ban" the sale of a safe and legal product. Well at least you shouldnt be able to in a free market and free society. If I were an auto manufacturer I wouldnt go near Michigan with a 10 foot pole. Michiganders can just drive to Indiana or Ohio and buy one, stupid fucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted September 21, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 21, 2020 So not all the angry people are from Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Let em bam sales. Residents will just buy out of state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold War Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 New Tesla dealer off Dixie Highway. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Cold War said: New Tesla dealer off Dixie Highway. . Did they resolve the lawsuit? Is it a company store? Didn’t hear anything about it. Edit: I just read the settlement. They can sell the cars in Michigan but must be delivered in another state. They can also service them. Edited September 21, 2020 by Edmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 ridiculous that the manufacturers and dealers have the power to keep other companies out. So much for free enterprise. MI is not the only state that has tried/has kept Tesla frozen out and will with these other companies as well I am sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted September 21, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 21, 2020 I’m so upset by this news that I can’t buy a Tesla here. I can’t imagine all the Tesla owners that I see in the area, how will they ever buy their tesla if you can’t buy them here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry ginger Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Skidooski said: I’m so upset by this news that I can’t buy a Tesla here. I can’t imagine all the Tesla owners that I see in the area, how will they ever buy their tesla if you can’t buy them here. For those near the borders not a huge deal but still silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Highmark Posted September 21, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 21, 2020 Seems like a clear violation of the 14th. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old indy Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 38 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: ridiculous that the manufacturers and dealers have the power to keep other companies out. So much for free enterprise. MI is not the only state that has tried/has kept Tesla frozen out and will with these other companies as well I am sure. Coca cola did the same thing to the soda machine makers. you know the thing that ads the bubbles to water then ad your own flavoring. they managed to make it illegal to sell in the USA for a while. you could by it in RUSSIA but not the U.S.A. crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 It's funny they call Trump a Nationalist and then try to ban the sale of EV's to protect GM FORD and CHRYSLER. Isn't this the same as America First but it's Michigan first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, jtssrx said: It's funny they call Trump a Nationalist and then try to ban the sale of EV's to protect GM FORD and CHRYSLER. Isn't this the same as America First but it's Michigan first? This lawsuit has been going on since way before Trump came along. The dealer groups are very powerful as you can see by the settlement. Again, its complete BS IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtssrx Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Edmo said: This lawsuit has been going on since way before Trump came along. The dealer groups are very powerful as you can see by the settlement. Again, its complete BS IMO. If I had to guess the people pushing this are Democrats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted September 21, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, Angry ginger said: For those near the borders not a huge deal but still silly Sure is but it’s not stopping those who want one. They are all over around here considering you can’t actually buy one here. The new Tesla Service station is nice for them. Always wondered how much of a pain in the ass it would be to get one serviced around here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Skidooski said: Sure is but it’s not stopping those who want one. They are all over around here considering you can’t actually buy one here. The new Tesla Service station is nice for them. Always wondered how much of a pain in the ass it would be to get one serviced around here They’re all over the place in Chicago. Quite a few in my neighborhood. Fuckers sneak up on you sometimes, all I hear is the tires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Skidooski said: So not all the angry people are from Michigan Most of them. Add EV cars to this list! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 If Tesla’s business model works better then that’s the way she goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Platinum Contributing Member Skidooski Posted September 21, 2020 Platinum Contributing Member Share Posted September 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Edmo said: They’re all over the place in Chicago. Quite a few in my neighborhood. Fuckers sneak up on you sometimes, all I hear is the tires. I still can’t get used to that stealth they have. I’m thankful my parents didn’t have them when I was going up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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