washedupmxer Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 There is so much tremendous win already the left butthurt is going to be off the charts for years From the earliest days of his campaign, Donald J. Trump made keeping manufacturing jobs in the United States his signature economic issue, and the decision by Carrier, the big air-conditioner company, to move over 2,000 of them from Indiana to Mexico was a tailor-made talking point for him on the stump. On Thursday, Mr. Trump and Mike Pence, Indiana’s governor and the vice president-elect, plan to appear at Carrier’s Indianapolis factory to announce a deal with the company to keep roughly 1,000 jobs in the state, according to officials with the transition team as well as Carrier. Mr. Trump will be hard-pressed to alter the economic forces that have hammered the Rust Belt for decades, but forcing Carrier and its parent company, United Technologies, to reverse course is a powerful tactical strike that will hearten his followers even before he takes office. “I’m ready for him to come,” said Robin Maynard, a 24-year veteran of Carrier who builds high-efficiency furnaces and earns almost $24 an hour. “Now I can put my daughter through college without having to look for another job.” It also signals that Mr. Trump is a different kind of Republican, willing to take on big business, at least in individual cases. Follow Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump Big day on Thursday for Indiana and the great workers of that wonderful state.We will keep our companies and jobs in the U.S. Thanks Carrier 10:50 PM - 29 Nov 2016 16,56316,563 Retweets 68,16268,162 likes And just as only a confirmed anti-Communist like Richard Nixon could go to China, so only a businessman like Mr. Trump could take on corporate America without being called a Bernie Sanders-style socialist. If Barack Obama had tried the same maneuver, he’d probably have drawn criticism for intervening in the free market. TRUMP AND THE CARRIER FACTORY In February, a video went viral showing furious workers in Indianapolis learning their jobs would be going abroad. Good Jobs, Goodbye When Jennifer Shanklin-Hawkins saw Donald Trump talking about the factory on the news, all she could do was shout “Yessss!” at the TV. “I loved it,” she said. “I was so happy Trump noticed us.” (March 2016) Can Trump Save Their Jobs? The day after the election, Paul Roell headed straight to the plant before sunrise, bleary-eyed but euphoric. “I don’t watch sports, but this was my World Series,” he said. (Nov. 13, 2016) In exchange for keeping the factory running in Indianapolis, Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence are expected to reiterate their campaign pledges to be friendlier to businesses by easing regulations and overhauling the corporate tax code, according to a spokeswoman for Mr. Trump. The state of Indiana also plans to give economic incentives to Carrier as part of the deal to stay, according to local officials. The message from Mr. Trump that captivated the Carrier workers — keeping manufacturing jobs in the United States after decades of losses to overseas factories and automation — resonated throughout the Rust Belt. That promise, plus his opposition to pacts like the North American Free Trade Agreement, were key reasons he was able to edge out Hillary Clinton in states like Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Follow Carrier @Carrier We are pleased to have reached a deal with President-elect Trump & VP-elect Pence to keep close to 1,000 jobs in Indy. More details soon. 7:54 PM - 29 Nov 2016 18,13518,135 Retweets 29,78629,786 likes Political symbolism aside, saving 1,000 Carrier jobs doesn’t loom so large in an economy that’s created an average of 181,000 jobs a month this year, noted Jared Bernstein, a liberal economist who served as adviser in the Obama administration from 2009 to 2011. Still, he confessed a grudging admiration for Mr. Trump’s political jujitsu. “If I weren’t so scared of the damage a Trump administration might do, I’d find it refreshing to see an administration fighting for factory jobs like this,” he said. “That said, no one should confuse what Trump is doing here with sustainable economic policy.” GRAPHIC What It Means for Trump to Save 1,000 Jobs in Indiana How the president-elect’s deal measures up to U.S. manufacturing job losses. OPEN GRAPHIC Over the long term, and for less prominent firms, the temptation to move to cheaper locales for manufacturing will stay great, said Robert Reich, a prominent liberal Democrat who served as secretary of labor in the Clinton administration. “Memories are short but the economic fundamentals remain the same,” he said. “Wall Street is breathing down companies’ necks to cut costs, and the labor savings in Mexico is too great.” Mr. Trump first announced he was talking to Carrier on Thanksgiving Day via Twitter, which the company quickly confirmed. The discussions have continued this week, and with a tentative deal in hand on Tuesday, transition officials scheduled Mr. Trump’s and Mr. Pence’s visit to Indianapolis. “I didn’t think it would be this quick,” Mr. Maynard said. While the standoff loomed large in the lives of its employees in Indiana, for United Technologies the forgone savings is tiny — equivalent to about 2 cents per share in earnings. “Every penny counts, but if we step back and I’m looking at earnings of $6.60 per share this year, 2 cents is an easy concession if the president-elect listens to some of the company’s bigger concerns,” said Howard Rubel, a senior equity analyst with Jefferies, an investment banking firm in New York. When Carrier announced in February that the two Indiana factories would be closing, it did offer benefits to employees facing layoffs, including paying for them to go back to school and retrain for other careers. Even with that, however, once the layoffs were to begin in mid-2017, most of the workers would have had a hard time finding jobs that paid anywhere near the $20 to $25 an hour that veteran line workers earn. Independent journalism. More essential than ever. SUBSCRIBE TO THE TIMES Carrier is best known for its air-conditioners, but it also sells a variety of other heating and cooling equipment for homes and businesses, like the gas furnaces and fan coils for electric furnaces made at the Indianapolis factory. The jobs in Indiana Mr. Trump has referred to are in two separate sites — the Carrier plant in Indianapolis, with 1,400 employees, and a United Technologies factory in Huntington, Ind., with 700. While Carrier will forfeit some $65 million a year in savings the move was supposed to generate, that’s a small price to pay to avoid the public relations damage from moving the jobs as well as a possible threat to United Technologies’ far-larger military contracting business. Roughly 10 percent of United Technologies’ $56 billion in revenue comes from the federal government; the Pentagon is its single largest customer. With $4 billion in profit last year, the company has the flexibility to find the savings elsewhere. Members of Congress have been pressing to punish big military contractors if they move jobs outside the United States. Many industrial companies face intense pressure from Wall Street to increase profits, even when the economy grows slowly — a major reason United Technologies decided to move. That won’t change after Mr. Trump takes office — especially when hourly pay in the Indianapolis plant is equivalent to what workers in Mexico make in a day. “This is a spot solution,” said Mohan Tatikonda, a professor at the Kelley School of Business at Indiana University. “If it goes through it helps some Carrier employees for a period of time, but it doesn’t address the loss of manufacturing jobs to technological change, which will continue.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 BUT NAZIS!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 BUT REPOST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 Just now, Momorider said: BUT REPOST just seen that, hard to tell by the title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momorider Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, washedupmxer said: just seen that, hard to tell by the title Yah there's that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Does anyone think Hillary could have done this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 8 minutes ago, Anler said: Does anyone think Hillary could have done this? Not a chance. His method was simple. He ripped them apart all election. He can do that to anyone and get 50M angry Americans to not buy their products and make them the face of the bad guys... A couple of tweets about how bad they were, the MSM puts their logo front and center because they lapp up whatever he says for a few days, boom they are releasing a new plan to keep workers here. The best part IS THEY THANKED HIM! HAHAHA! Gotta hand it to the guy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticCrusher Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, Anler said: Does anyone think Hillary could have done this? She is one of the reasons they were leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 9 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Not a chance. His method was simple. He ripped them apart all election. He can do that to anyone and get 50M angry Americans to not buy their products and make them the face of the bad guys... A couple of tweets about how bad they were, the MSM puts their logo front and center because they lapp up whatever he says for a few days, boom they are releasing a new plan to keep workers here. The best part IS THEY THANKED HIM! HAHAHA! Gotta hand it to the guy... Indeed. 8 minutes ago, ArcticCrusher said: She is one of the reasons they were leaving. Indeed. Well, her "boss" was. But there's no chance they'd have a change in direction under her as the Elect-POTUS. And she couldn't care less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Taxpayer funded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Taxpayer funded. Listen dick, everything doesn't have to be bad. This is a good thing. If you don't want to credit Trump fine. But don't condemn the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEFF Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 15 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Taxpayer funded. Similar to your printing company? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambroski Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 12 minutes ago, Anler said: Listen dick, everything doesn't have to be bad. This is a good thing. If you don't want to credit Trump fine. But don't condemn the result. AMEN!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02sled Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 48 minutes ago, Anler said: Does anyone think Hillary could have done this? do you think she would have even tried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Fund it with tariffs. People that live in the state are financing the business with higher taxes. Watch others line up for the same. You guys especially the cut taxes republicans are ok with this shit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 27 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Taxpayer funded. Just shut the fuck up you old draft dodging piece of shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 6 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Fund it with tariffs. People that live in the state are financing the business with higher taxes. Watch others line up for the same. You guys especially the cut taxes republicans are ok with this shit? Do you even know how tariff schedules work? You open your mouth and every time you sound dumber and dumber. HOW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Trump Saved Jobs at Carrier by Making the Same Deal American Politicians Always Make http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/11/30/trump_saved_jobs_at_carrier_by_making_a_bad_deal_for_america.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecat Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, xtralettucetomatoe580 said: Just shut the fuck up you old draft dodging piece of shit. Your clueless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted December 1, 2016 Author Share Posted December 1, 2016 *your shows possession You're is you are. Now you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez ryder Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Fund it with tariffs. People that live in the state are financing the business with higher taxes. Watch others line up for the same. You guys especially the cut taxes republicans are ok with this shit? yes if it keeps the plants in this country I am fine with it 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Im4snow Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Winning......and not even the President yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washedupmxer Posted December 1, 2016 Author Share Posted December 1, 2016 I'm ok with this just like i was the auto bailout. If you're not I think you're dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anler Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Trump Saved Jobs at Carrier by Making the Same Deal American Politicians Always Make http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/11/30/trump_saved_jobs_at_carrier_by_making_a_bad_deal_for_america.html What do you think happens when 2000 good jobs leave that town? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtralettucetomatoe580 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 7 minutes ago, Mainecat said: Your clueless "And subsidies were probably not the biggest factor in Carrier’s decision. Once we do find out what Pence offered, the terms will likely not save Carrier the $65 million that a move would have. Instead, the deal may have important immaterial benefits. It puts United Technologies in the good graces of the administration, which may be key to its future business. About ten percent of the company’s $56 billion in revenue comes from the federal government, especially military contracts. The implication that Trump made some kind of backroom threat in Naptown over Defense Department contracts is worrisome, but for the moment, unfounded. For now let’s just say that Carrier has an interest in keeping Trump happy." Oh my fucking god... Not only did you post a Slate article hahaha. You posted an article without even reading it! Fucking brilliant. Because if you did read it you would have gotten to the passage I took out, laughed at the author and closed the window. This article is less about Trump's deal and all about Obama and Bush's dealing of the past 16 years to show how they kept companies here. Instead this article pulls speculation on how TRUMP might have gotten it done and absolutely GUT HOOKED retarded non-critical thinking east coast elitists like you. Bravo. You have just failed harder than you have all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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